Homeless situation...It is "NOT" going away. Could you "survive".?

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Good. We get squatters occasionally around here living on Forest Service lands. They don't stay very long before the Forest Service runs them off. I've called on them a few times myself. I don't think anyone would care if these people left a clean camp, but they don't. They leave trash and garbage all over the area.
Yeah, I hear you. That is a big problem. The garbage. When we camped out all summer (and fall) by the stream we kept and left our camp spotless. It is still spotless, 40 years later. I took my wife there last year. Back then there were no time limits. The local ranger knew we were there, and why. He checked on us a few times, brought us pizza a couple of times, and helped me get my first hunting license. I think he felt bad for us.

I think maybe what @Sourdough is saying is we shouldn't be too quick to judge. Though it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a homeless druggie who doesn't give a crap, and someone hiking the Pacific Crest Trail.
 
Worst Homelessness Crisis Ever!

article from economic collapse blog via zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worst-homelessness-crisis-ever
Couldn't have anything to do with the million or so immigrants that crossed our southern border in the past year, and are still unemployed? Oh Noooo! :rolleyes:
ZH:
In fact, in 13 communities that have been heavily impacted by migration, “family homelessness more than doubled”
Migration had a particularly notable impact on family homelessness, which rose 39% from 2023 to 2024, according to the report. In the 13 communities that reported being affected by migration, family homelessness more than doubled.
They are not 'homeless Americans'.
I actually feel bad for them because they were conned into going to the "Big Rich Cities", only to find there were no jobs for unskilled labor.:(
 
To survive being homeless now… Not only should we judge, we should do so quickly. And if there’s doubt err on the side that keeps you safe. I'd go further... Everyone you meet should be viewed as a threat until they prove otherwise.

Pretending that an inordinate percentage of the homeless are not a threat is the quickest way to die, imho!
 
Municipalities are begining to incarcerate the poor for the CRIME of SLEEPING in public, or on public land. It is a human rights violation to make SLEEPING illegal. But nobody cares.

Sleeping in public areas is one thing. Setting up your homestead - be that a dilapidated tent, cardboard structure, or whatever - with the intention of making that your semi-permanent home is a totally different thing.

They are using the law to clear camps and old motor homes of the poor - but not the guy in his 2 million dollar Prevost motor home at the rest stop.

They probably do that because the guy in the Prevost has stopped temporarily at a rest stop with the intention of resting for a while and then moving on. That's what rest stops are designed for. Compare that to someone parking - and staying - directly in front of your house in something that probably only moves when it is towed, is a safety hazard, and may even spill garbage out the back while it's being towed. The two scenarios you described are not even remotely close to one another.
 
So what's wrong with that? I think living in a nice warm house, without drug, alcohol or mental problems is far superior to living like a bum in the gutters.
I agree with what you said above. I like living in that same nice warm house that you do. Only a dolt would denigrate it as "displaying superiority" for wanting to live that way. IMHO, every normal person does.
 
Our county property taxes have gotten so high here it really dont pay to own very much at all
Mostly I was posting to the new poster that I quoted. I read his blog thingy he linked and he doesn't like renting or captialism. So that's why I said that he could just say no and not rent anything.
Our property taxes are stupid high, too. Makes me mad because our farm and property are all paid off. The taxes are as bad as having a mortgage.
 
Mostly I was posting to the new poster that I quoted. I read his blog thingy he linked and he doesn't like renting or captialism. So that's why I said that he could just say no and not rent anything.
Our property taxes are stupid high, too. Makes me mad because our farm and property are all paid off. The taxes are as bad as having a mortgage.
Had to sell property i inherited and been in my family for years cause i couldnt afford the property taxes, same about buying a new car, average cost of a new car here would require over 1240.00 in property taxes alone
 
Sounds like our state. New car registration is ridiculous. But I don't plan on ever buying a new one again. Our property taxes are a bit over $500 a month. That's just nuts. That's like rent. Glad we don't have a mortgage, too.
Taxes and insurance on our one acre and rundown 70's house is $500 a month...luckily we don't live in the small town or it would be more.. Montana doesn't have sales tax so they get all they can with a state income tax and property tax..
 
Goofed. Husband says it's $300 a month. Still too much. We have state tax. That's terrible on one acre, Montanabill. We have a big farmhouse, rundown, built in 1908 on 23 acres. They do raise it every year. It was half that, not long ago.
 
My property tax is $100 a year. It's why I am unlikely to move again. My farm used to be around $400 a month. Property tax is how they plan to make us all homeless.

In answer to Sourdough's op, yes I could survive being homeless if I were rural enough; not so much in the city. Either way, at my age it would suck.
 
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I had a house that I abandoned " a fairly decent house and not that old " as I started over in another state with my prepper endeavors . The abandoned house was on inherited family land , so did not want to sell in respect to other family members . However soon squatter problems arouse . I had the local volunteer fire department burn it to the ground to get rid of homeless squatters . -- Of interest perhaps to some , I believe at one point that I had a coven of witches taking it over as they would dance around in the front yard around a live oak tree that I had planted that I had been given , deriving from a place called the devils backbone . I am guessing naked . I thumbed through one of the witch manuals that was inside my house which only confirmed what I had already concluded .
 
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SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS: No rants about what a superior human you are. When I see people "blanket" trashing homeless people. I figure that they consider themselves to be vastly superior.

I have never understood how some have zero empathy and consider themselves superior to those homeless. Yes, a fair amount of homeless have drug and/or alcohol abuse issues. I would be willing to bet that on a percentage bases, people living in safe homes have on percentage bases much higher percentage of substance (alcohol & drugs) abuse.

Translated living in a home and safe in that home "DOES NOT" mean drugs and alcohol are never abused. So, I am asking nicely that you not turn this thread into your negative opinion of homelessness.

Can you honestly assess your personal ability to function and survive being homeless. I don't know why but I find myself asking that question a lot.

Speak to anything about homelessness other than how superior you are as a human.

https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2024/12/27/us-homelessness-spikes-18-look-alaskas-numbers/
Was homeless by choice for many years. Yeah..not a problem if I had to do it alone..but I have a family now..1 of the 2 could handle it..1 could not.
 
Let's all be extremely thankful Trump is taking the reins!! We would have a Federal property tax if Obama stayed in control! Not to mention unrealized capital gains! They would take our properties! Homelessness was closer than we thought, or that many thought!
Trump also removed the Obama PENALTY for not signing up for healthinsurance/Obamacare, or proving you have it.
(Or as I refer to him - - Obummer.)
 
Trump also removed the Obama PENALTY for not signing up for healthinsurance/Obamacare, or proving you have it.
(Or as I refer to him - - Obummer.)
My wife's supplemental insurance for medicare charges us $26 a month since we didn't have health insurance for a while before we qualified for medicare.... we pay this forever.
 
My wife's supplemental insurance for medicare charges us $26 a month since we didn't have health insurance for a while before we qualified for medicare.... we pay this forever.
Not sure if Doge is going to scrap the whole system(s) or part of it and re-write some things...but plenty of regulations which have been written make zero sense. And they know it.
 
Had the first fire dept call out on our little homeless camp nearby. about 20 campers and motorhomes and some started sporting smokestacks sticking out windows or roof vents for their wood stoves.. I will try to get some photos.....many of these folks work but spend their wages on other things..
 
I'd have to say another contributing factor to homelessness is housing costs. Atleast in this area though I'm sure costs are crazy everywhere.

A small apartment, or even a spare room in someone else's home is running $1200 per month or more. Houses are twice that, and often more. I can't believe how people can afford to pay those kinds of prices, along with car payments, credit cards and living expenses unless they make $10K per month income.


I do have this house, though in MUCH need of costly repairs that I can't afford to fix. I do have a big yard, a garden, ability to have chickens and plenty of room for the dogs to run and play. My mortgage payments are about the same cost as above mentioned apartments or rooms. My only source of income is my social security and if it was just me here, I could still pay to continue living here. It would be tight, but I could make it.

My 2 sons still live here at home with me and we share expenses. One son is a diesel mechanic and makes good money and it would still be hard for him to afford a place of his own. Other son has a good job, but makes much less. He'd never be able to afford to move. It might be possible if they moved and shared costs, but then the dogs come in to the equation. (Dogs are theirs, I'm just the babysitter). Most rentals whether apartments or houses, either won't allow dogs or pets, and those that do are breed specific (rarely if ever pitties). Even if dogs are allowed, its usually one not two, plus having to pay extra deposits and even monthly fees per dog per month over and above the outrageous rental costs.....Oh and can't forget the first & last months rent, damage, cleaning, pet and whatever other fees and deposits required just to get the keys. Often move in costs can be upwards of $5k or more.

Since the condition of the house is always in question, we are one disaster away from being homeless ourselves. I've looked into nearly every possible scenario to pay for the repairs and keep coming up empty handed. My credit is shot and can't refinance. Even if I did, the interest rates alone would nearly double my payments. Thought of selling to the boys for what it would cost to fix and the house itself, and the payments would still be too much. Then tried to have them assume my current mortgage and let them finance the repairs........bank said they have to have $20k up front, then of course the higher payments again. Even tried for a rehab grant for low income seniors and was told the house needs more than they can fund. And I can't sell it currently due to one needed repair, but even if I could I'd never get enough out of it to pay for anything else.

So we are all stuck here, trying to make the best of a bad situation and literally living on a prayer that the house will hold up until we can do something about it. We are just one straw away from breaking the camels back and becoming homeless. And no, I don't think at my age I could do it.


Even though my situation may be unique, I also think the same holds true for most people........we are all just one disaster away from homelessness.
 
If you need some ideas of how to live from your car, truck, or other vehicle you may want to check out the below forum. It's a VanLiving forum.

https://vanlivingforum.com/ There are ideas of how to build out a car for cooking and sleeping, etc. And there is a fellow "Bob Wells" that does a YouTube on Cheap RV Living that has a lot of information.
 
I'd have to say another contributing factor to homelessness is housing costs. Atleast in this area though I'm sure costs are crazy everywhere.

A small apartment, or even a spare room in someone else's home is running $1200 per month or more. Houses are twice that, and often more. I can't believe how people can afford to pay those kinds of prices, along with car payments, credit cards and living expenses unless they make $10K per month income.


I do have this house, though in MUCH need of costly repairs that I can't afford to fix. I do have a big yard, a garden, ability to have chickens and plenty of room for the dogs to run and play. My mortgage payments are about the same cost as above mentioned apartments or rooms. My only source of income is my social security and if it was just me here, I could still pay to continue living here. It would be tight, but I could make it.

My 2 sons still live here at home with me and we share expenses. One son is a diesel mechanic and makes good money and it would still be hard for him to afford a place of his own. Other son has a good job, but makes much less. He'd never be able to afford to move. It might be possible if they moved and shared costs, but then the dogs come in to the equation. (Dogs are theirs, I'm just the babysitter). Most rentals whether apartments or houses, either won't allow dogs or pets, and those that do are breed specific (rarely if ever pitties). Even if dogs are allowed, its usually one not two, plus having to pay extra deposits and even monthly fees per dog per month over and above the outrageous rental costs.....Oh and can't forget the first & last months rent, damage, cleaning, pet and whatever other fees and deposits required just to get the keys. Often move in costs can be upwards of $5k or more.

Since the condition of the house is always in question, we are one disaster away from being homeless ourselves. I've looked into nearly every possible scenario to pay for the repairs and keep coming up empty handed. My credit is shot and can't refinance. Even if I did, the interest rates alone would nearly double my payments. Thought of selling to the boys for what it would cost to fix and the house itself, and the payments would still be too much. Then tried to have them assume my current mortgage and let them finance the repairs........bank said they have to have $20k up front, then of course the higher payments again. Even tried for a rehab grant for low income seniors and was told the house needs more than they can fund. And I can't sell it currently due to one needed repair, but even if I could I'd never get enough out of it to pay for anything else.

So we are all stuck here, trying to make the best of a bad situation and literally living on a prayer that the house will hold up until we can do something about it. We are just one straw away from breaking the camels back and becoming homeless. And no, I don't think at my age I could do it.


Even though my situation may be unique, I also think the same holds true for most people........we are all just one disaster away from homelessness.
I agree...I've seen some of the crazy rent prices and don't know how people can afford it. The next big town over from us still has low rents for the midwest, but most places don't.
 
I forced myself to learn how to build a tiny home out of pallet wood.
It would be weird if I was homeless because of my extensive carpentry skills.
I can pull it on 3x6 wagon and chain it to a pipe while I'm out and about.
Problem with a lot of homeless is addiction and or mental disease.
Some bit of normalcy would give them a glimmer of hope, but obviously it's a vicious cycle.
Many become victimized which drops them down even further.

These guys have it down to a science...
 
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I used to own some apartments that I bought as an investment. I hired a property management company to deal with the tenants, make repairs and collect the rent. With the PM company I never had to see the tenants. I got sick of the sad sacks and their sob stories. Just to move in I charged first, last and a deposit. And NO pets were allowed. It was really simple, if they couldn't pay their rent they would be kicked out. Their problems weren't my problems. I wasn't running a chairity. These were high end apartments that I eventually turned in to condos and sold.
I have no use for people that sit around crying and whining about how hard life is and begging for handouts.
 

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