Paris is burning

[user 7704]

Would not want to be in Paris or France with all of the rioting.
Honestly, I wouldn't want to be in any cities in Europe.

Sorry Paul.

 

[DrHenley]

It's a gas tax protest!

 

[tmttactical]

The climate control freaks are just as bad as th gun control freaks. Weak to non-existent validated hypothesis and mandated taxes to fund their demand to move to alternate fuels. They are too fanatical to understand that the capitalist system will move in that directions, all by it's own, when the alternate fuels sources have proven financially viable. Forcing your people into bankruptcy, simply to make a name for yourself, is ludicrous. Maybe France is headed for another revolution and heads will roll.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Burn baby burn!

 

[jontte]

little Macron wants to be Napoleon,that protest started in an innocent way,but now,when far-left and far-right agitators/protestors have infiltrated
the yellow-vest movement it will be chaos and mayhem..
and the little Napoleon wannabe's popularity will go down the drain..

 

[lonewolf]

the French are always a bit volatile, they have rioted in the past, the present and will in the future, I think its in their nature.

 

[Brent S]

All I am sure of is if I had booked a flight and room for a vacation there I would be pissed!

 

[lonewolf]

some of those protesters had a legitimate concern but I think they were taken over by the Anarchy brigade who just wanted to riot at any cost.

 

[Brent S]

some of those protesters had a legitimate concern but I think they were taken over by the Anarchy brigade who just wanted to riot at any cost.

Agreed. Burning and rioting is just stupid. I still stand by being able to shoot when a mob starts vandalizing. There are many ways to protest, but destroying others property isn’t one of them.

 

[lonewolf]

we had the same thing in the London riots, then it wasn't just cars and graffiti, it was shops and peoples homes. some people escaped burning apartments with just the clothes on their backs.

 

[jontte]

and yet Brussels have had the same crap,but meager is the news covereage of it..

 

[tmttactical]

It would be wonderful if people actually learned form history. MLK, basically ended segregation with peaceful marches and resisted all attempts to get them to respond with violence. Gandhi, freed a nation from imperialism and did it without firing a shot or burning down anything. These riots are from those that want instant gratification and a quick victory. They abandon the cause and rejoice in the burning flames. They lose any chance of support from others that might have joined them. I do believe the people of France have a right to protest these outrageous fuel taxes but the second they take up the torch, they have lost. They have gone from patriotic citizens to hooligans. Lost cause. Another wasted lesson from history.

 

[elliott92]

macron is an idiot, his fuel hikes are a joke and these protesters deserve all the tear gas they get when they start vandalising everything. but... how can anyone deny climate change? it only takes a shred of intelligence to decipher fact based studies and scientific findings. Im pretty sure climate change is indeed deemed a fact, rather than something up for debate. climate change deniers are in the same boat as the holocaust deniers

 

[tmttactical]

@elliott92

Climate change has been going on since this planet was formed. The real issue is that is it man made or accelerated by man and fossil fuels. The second issue is that too many times the global warning folks have issued dramatic end of world predictions that failed to happen. And the last issue I have with your post is the claim that climate deniers are in the same boat as Holocaust deniers. That is a blatant mis-characterization to further your position on climate change. That statement weakens your position and makes other doubt your ability to debate a subject with resorting to character assassination.

 

[user 7704]

Every talking point went out the window when he mentioned holocaust deniers.

The A. O. Cortez school of debate.

 

[Brent S]

I agree the holocost reference was a little harsh, but I also agree that denial at this point is seriously beyond my comprehension. When 90+ percent of the worlds scientists are all saying something, it’s probably good to listen. Do I want to stop living with cars and electricity? Of course not. I also think the urgency to find cleaner alternatives to power these things has increased though.

 

[tmttactical]

I agree the holocost reference was a little harsh, but I also agree that denial at this point is seriously beyond my comprehension. When 90+ percent of the worlds scientists are all saying something, it’s probably good to listen. Do I want to stop living with cars and electricity? Of course not. I also think the urgency to find cleaner alternatives to power these things has increased though.

The holocaust comment was way beyond harsh, it was asinine. The earth was also know to be flat by the scientist of that time. Crying wolf too many times also leads folks to doubt the reports. Add in the facts the reports mostly come from folks that are employed by the folks that want us to fear and join the climate band wagon, then yes I do have my doubts. And last but least, you cannot convince folks to give up the modern life style and creature comforts to buy into alternate energy, at a much greater financial cost to them and their families.

Plus how many have checked to the cost of waste handling for all the solar panels that will become obsolete or broken in the next 30 years. So instead of a possible climate problem, we should shift to solar, which we do know will require special disposal process. And last but not least, why should we, as Americans, reduce our fossil fuel consumption but allow other countries to continue the use of fossil fuel. Cripple American manufacturing and productions, so China, Russia and just about everybody else can continues to use fossil fuel. When everybody else has switched over to alternate fuels then we can watch and see how well that is working for them.

 

[DrHenley]

MEANWHILE back on the farm...

Even though I think the whole carbon credit thing is a scam, I did actually get some carbon credits this year for planting trees on our land in the Mississippi Delta. I'm all for planting trees and saving the rainforests. That's not a liberal or conservative thing, but something that is demonstrably good for the environment.

Between that, and the fact that now that I'm retired, I drive very little, I am CARBON NEGATIVE!

I'm doing my part to save the planet!!!

What are you doing??? ROFL

 

[Maverick]

The French have no place to run too, they already in France duh... besides, the only people they can beat is another Frenchmen. Of course they are rioting, only thing they can brag about.

 

[Gazrok]

Weak to non-existent validated hypothesis

Even this is being generous.

That 97% of scientists BS that folks are pedaling? It's all from the Cook survey, a survey that cherry picked the results to include, I might add.

The simple FACT is that the only increase (no matter which camp you are on, as the data doesn't care) is .08th of a degree. This isn't even a statistically significant number, as it is WELL within the margin of error, meaning this translates to "no change".

I can't believe that after over 3 decades of evidence to show this is simply NOT happening, that we are STILL engaged in this debate. It is beyond ridiculous. Yet we keep being beaten over the head with this 97% bologna.....

But hey, that won't stop folks from trying to monetize it. Heck, a nutjob Dem Rep in FL put forth a bill for a US carbon tax. I doubt it would even go through a Dem controlled House, let alone the Senate, but the simple fact of it even being suggested is enough to get the ire boiling.....

 

[Gazrok]

France is well on it's way to becoming a fundamentalist muslim state in our lifetimes. (as is much of Europe). They gave up their cultures for "tolerance" and now face losing their national identities completely. It's a simple matter of numbers and time.

 

[elliott92]

I stand by my holocaust denial comment. When it is almost unilaterally agreed by the worlds top climate scientists that the earth has had a rise in temperature in the last century and a half (yes 0.8c isnt groundbreaking ill give you that) and also the highest concentration of carbon dioxide in thousands of years. whether humans and our societies are the cause, a contributing factor or jack **** to do with it doesn't matter. What does matter is that everyone does their little bit to try and help, no matter how small. Even more so when it comes to plastic pollution. As i said, Macron is a bellend and just trying to put his nae on the map and lick the ass off Merkel. But... the worlds leaders do need to start putting the pressure on when it comes to looking after this planet a bit more.

 

[tmttactical]

I agree we can do a bit better in looking out for the planet but there is a difference between good stewardship and dictatorship. When these environmentalist fanatics and money grubbing politicians get involved, the good is over shadowed by the greed and fanaticism. Carbon tax is just greed. Fossil fuel tax again, just greed. When the government attempts to force people to buy into a project, you have got to know it is crapola.

The real telling point is that the government is not cutting out or transferring money out of existing budget accounts, they are just demanding new money. If the problem was real and as important as they claim, they could and would, pull money from every non-essential budget account to supply everybody with solar, windmills and what every other method to improve the situation. Since none of that is happening, I have areal tough time buy the end of the world as we know it is coming. Example: NASA just sent a cube to Mars. How much did that cost and how many solar systems would it have bought. Since no country has moved into crisis mode and shifted all their non-critical funding, I don't see a reason to move my funds to this issue either.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I agree we can do a bit better in looking out for the planet but there is a difference between good stewardship and dictatorship. When these environmentalist fanatics and money grubbing politicians get involved, the good is over shadowed by the greed and fanaticism. Carbon tax is just greed. Fossil fuel tax again, just greed. When the government attempts to force people to buy into a project, you have got to know it is crapola.

The real telling point is that the government is not cutting out or transferring money out of existing budget accounts, they are just demanding new money. If the problem was real and as important as they claim, they could and would, pull money from every non-essential budget account to supply everybody with solar, windmills and what every other method to improve the situation. Since none of that is happening, I have areal tough time buy the end of the world as we know it is coming. Example: NASA just sent a cube to Mars. How much did that cost and how many solar systems would it have bought. Since no country has moved into crisis mode and shifted all their non-critical funding, I don't see a reason to move my funds to this issue either.

I agree with you on most points. The Federal and many State governments have been offering tax credits and incentives for people to install alternative energy systems for years.
I'm always asking the "Man" caused global warming believers to post what THEY personally are doing to save the planet. I never get an answer. The just want the government "to do something". Well, the government has been doing "something". Where do they think the money is coming from to build the huge wind and solar farms that are popping up and polluting the landscape everywhere? All the technology already exists that the global warming believers say needs to be developed. They can put their money where there mouth is and buy it now. But they don't.
Most believers are just whinny crybabies that won't practice what they preach.
Btw, I'm on 100% solar. How many believers can say that?

 

[lonewolf]

the solar and wind farms in the UK are all built by private firms, there is some state subsidies to apply for but they are being reduced year on year.
the subsidies for private householders having solar panels on their roofs is virtually nil.

 

[Brent S]

My place is as energy efficient as possible. As individuals that’s about all one can do. Wether the world is warming or not, not polluting the only habitable planet we know of isn’t smart. Switching to cleaner energy sources just makes sense. I’ve heard a lot about terra farming mars to possibly make a second home, which might be possible in a million years or so, but dosent it make sense to just not pollute where we are now?

 

[Mountain trapper]

My place is as energy efficient as possible. As individuals that’s about all one can do. Wether the world is warming or not, not polluting the only habitable planet we know of isn’t smart. Switching to cleaner energy sources just makes sense. I’ve heard a lot about terra farming mars to possibly make a second home, which might be possible in a million years or so, but dosent it make sense to just not pollute where we are now?

I agree with you. I think we all should do what we can to reduce pollution and waste whenever possible. Government is not the answer; we are. Businesses only produce products that people want and need. People's buying habits can change what products companies produce.
We all know that most of the world's pollution comes from countries like China. If everyone that feels pollution is a bad thing they can stop buying crap made in China. I don't think this will happen though. People have become addicted to buying cheap plastic junk that won't last and will just end up in a landfill or on the side of a road.

 

[TexasFreedom]

UP is 100% right. There is Global Warming, Global Cooling, and Climate Change. If you shift the letters around, it actually spells out "Global Tax Fraud and Control", or GTFC.

The biggest group screaming about this are the young. Yet just yesterday I saw an article from Austin about how 500 more scooters are getting put on the streets, and showed pictures of these things blocking up sidewalks everywhere. So these same young people are too lazy to walk around their college campus in 70F weather and are happy to destroy the world to save walking a few blocks? These scooters use electricity. They don't even care enough to put the scooters in a safe spot!

I remember walking over a mile each way through ice and snow in college every day. Sorry, my hypocrisy only goes so far. As UP said, this is all about power and money and has nothing to do with saving the planet.

 

[user 7704]

Why isn't the media showing the French yelling "We want Trump"?

Oh, never mind.

 

[lonewolf]

cant say i'm surprised at the comments. an eminent naturalist like David Attenborough who has spent 70years studying nature and all things natural and he gets called a silly old git, well I know what I believe and I think he said we have 15 years to sort out climate change, if we don't extinction wont just be for the animals.