Russia Versus The Ukraine

[Mountain Dragon]

Yes of course, Russia is the demon, the satan, worse than Stalin, Hitler, Saddam an Osama together, they eat babies and living in caves filled up with nuclear bombs.
The West, Nato and EU is innocent like an newborn, they absolutly never ever was provocate any single flysh*t, they are so carefull to the whole world.

Congrats Paul, the western propaganda catched you fully.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Yes of course, Russia is the demon, the satan, worse than Stalin, Hitler, Saddam an Osama together, they eat babies and living in caves filled up with nuclear bombs.
The West, Nato and EU is innocent like an newborn, they absolutly never ever was provocate any single flysh*t, they are so carefull to the whole world.

Congrats Paul, the western propaganda catched you fully.

I don't think he was saying that NATO is innocent or that Russia is demonic. Only stating the fact that Russia crossed the border of another Sovereign nation with military troops.

Furthermore, it is not propaganda when the concept of "One Russia" come out of Putin's own mouth, anymore than it is propaganda to say that the WEF goal is that by "2030 you will own nothing and be happy". It is rare where tyrants do not forecast their intent.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Propaganda comes from both sides.

But if western politicans say "deliver weapons creates peace" then i seriously have to ask myself who's the agressor.
And by crossing the border of another sovereign nation with military troops therefore i know other nation(s) who did the same and it was completly ok because they did it to deliver "peace" or "democracy" which wasn't work at the end. But the oil always was missing after.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Propaganda comes from both sides.

But if western politicans say "deliver weapons creates peace" then i seriously have to ask myself who's the agressor.
And by crossing the border of another sovereign nation with military troops therefore i know other nation(s) who did the same and it was completly ok because they did it to deliver "peace" or "democracy" which wasn't work at the end. But the oil always was missing after.

Provocation does come from both sides and trying to figure out "who started it" is a fruitless argument. Propaganda has been around since the first tribal leaders lived in caves.
However, there is a difference between crossing a border to bring peace and crossing a border to expand one's own territory with the intention of keeping it, in the so-called name of peace.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

When an foreign power crosses my border without invitation it's not ok, even they call it an "mission of peace".

And if someone delivers weapons from an national defense just to protect and save stolen money or values from an third party then this is mendacious and a betrayal of one's own people, especially when uninvolved peoples pay the price in the form of an economic crisis and very high inflation.
And exactly this happens in Europe this days. Citizens go betrayed, robbed out and don't know how to pay the daily life to protect the most corrupt state in Europe and his demanding comedian president.

But different meanings, i'm fine with it.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

When an foreign power crosses my border without invitation it's not ok, even they call it an "mission of peace".

And if someone delivers weapons from an national defense just to protect and save stolen money or values from an third party then this is mendacious and a betrayal of one's own people, especially when uninvolved peoples pay the price in the form of an economic crisis and very high inflation.
And exactly this happens in Europe this days. Citizens go betrayed, robbed out and don't know how to pay the daily life to protect the most corrupt state in Europe and his demanding comedian president.

But different meanings, i'm fine with it.

That is the problem, we are never going to stop it. Doesn’t matter who “wins” this conflict, the people will lose; Russian, Ukrainian, West European, American…it is always the result of wars.

That is why I cannot condone how Russia has conducted itself both leading up to the war and in the way it has conducted itself in the midst of it. It is the people who pay the price, not the leaders. If they had just stayed out, billions of tax payer goods and currency would not have been funneled into Ukraine’s pockets.

Hmmm. Wonder if Schwab’s former buddy Putin, maybe didn’t start this whole thing, exactly for the purpose of bankrupting and destabilizing the west? Wouldn't be the first time an unnecessary war was started to further a global political agenda.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Honestly - i can't hear anything about Ukraine anymore.
We have to pay between 100 and 1000% more for electricity - to support Ukraine
We have to pay around 30 to 50% more for food and daily goods - it's because the Ukraine is in troubles
We have increased incoming tax - because we need to support the Ukraine
And so on - F@#k this piece of sh**t.

And then - Ukrainian refugees. Nice, those BMW M6, Mercedes AMG and Audi Q7 they are coming with. It's even nice we have to pay them appartments, food, clothing, fully access to health insurances and every month a lil amount from over 1700.--. And i didn't wrote about free mobile phones, internet or free access.

To make it more visible for you:
Every Swiss has to pay for health insurance - and we have to pay, no way out - as an minimum 360.--
We don't get free public traffic for ourselves or other refugees.
And retired people have - don't forget they worked their whole life - 1600.-- each month except they having an own private insurance for their retirement.

Oh - and don't forget: We don't hear something nice like an "thank you" or anything else in this way. But we hear demandings:
Appartment isn't luxury enough
Clothings aren't branding ones
We need more money
We want 1. class in public traffic
Why people here don't speak ukrainian
Yes this we get here for our help!

Imagine YOUR government opens the border to Mexico to "help" those poor people there. Offers them the better appartments. Pays them an health insurance, clothes, food and public traffic. And a few houndred $ every month as incoming. And YOU can pay more tax, higher prices in food store or do even need to leave your cheap house to fill it with refugees.
You're still say "Yes, we are so glad to help them"? (Then let me know, i take the next flight and land as an refugee)
Or you will more say "close the border and forget about them?

Personally, i can't imagine Russia seriously will take the whole Ukraine really with this kind of ungrateful, always demanding people without decency.

Neither i do not want have them here. Our life is a lot worse since every idiot of an politican has his head so deep in Zelenskjs butt until they have oxygen deficiency.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Imagine YOUR government opens the border to Mexico to "help" those poor people there. Offers them the better appartments. Pays them an health insurance, clothes, food and public traffic. And a few houndred $ every month as incoming. And YOU can pay more tax, higher prices in food store or do even need to leave your cheap house to fill it with refugees.
You're still say "Yes, we are so glad to help them"? (Then let me know, i take the next flight and land as an refugee)
Or you will more say "close the border and forget about them?

We do pretty much exactly that and have been since after WWII and the creation of the welfare system.

The problem isn't them, it is the system your country set up. People will go where they think they can get something for nothing. The rudeness and entitlement is something experienced everywhere across many demographics whenever people do not have to work for what they have..

Many times I have stood in line behind someone, fresh from having her hair and nails done, in $300 sneakers, using food "stamps" buying better food than we could afford and yet our tax dollars were going to feed them, clothe them and house them. Meanwhile, my kids were wearing garage sale shoes, eating grilled cheese and soup for dinner and living in a house that was a "handyman special" in large part because we were prepping and setting aside part of our budget for it. Needs not wants. Socialism sucks.

 

[poltiregist]

No need to get mad " we are already way past that " . We are at the point " either you have your preps in order for a " Nuclear World War 3 or you don't " . This site was set up long ago for those preparing for such a future .

 

[user 7368]

We do pretty much exactly that and have been since after WWII and the creation of the welfare system.

Many times I have stood in line behind someone, fresh from having her hair and nails done, in $300 sneakers, using food "stamps" buying better food than we could afford and yet our tax dollars go to feed them, clothe them and house them. Meanwhile, my kids were wearing garage sale shoes, eating grilled cheese and soup for dinner and living in a house that was a "handyman special". We pay for their hospital bills in upcharges when we go. Socialism sucks.

When I stand in line here, I see every day that 45% of the people in front of and behind me are not from my national population, about 20% of them do not even speak my national language or are willing to learn it.

Be careful, Ukrainians are not included.

Because of this, I find it harder every day to trust my government, and even harder to believe a NATO boss who says every day guns make peace.
Putin may be a criminal, so is his comrade Selensky, Selensky is a snake and he doesn't give a damn about his people, he has the same paranoia as Hitler and will still talk about victory when he's the last.

Still the biggest problem in Ukraine is, 50% of Western weapons never reach the front, the regime and senior military personnel sell these weapons on the dark web, if there is an incident with such weapons in the USA, you can count Selensky on it to thank.

 

[lonewolf]

Yes of course, Russia is the demon, the satan, worse than Stalin, Hitler, Saddam an Osama together, they eat babies and living in caves filled up with nuclear bombs.
The West, Nato and EU is innocent like an newborn, they absolutly never ever was provocate any single flysh*t, they are so carefull to the whole world.

Congrats Paul, the western propaganda catched you fully.

at least our troops dont rape civilians for sport.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

at least our troops dont rape civilians for sport.

Nope, they don't, they are all holy men and don't even kill an ant.
OK, kids aren't ants...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers

 

[lonewolf]

Nope, they don't, they are all holy men and don't even kill an ant.

more anti british ****.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Until now i was always a friend of the Brits @bigpaul
Even british cars are not really known for reliability or I don't like mint sauce.
But except this british guy who betrayed me for 30K i always had an good time with Brits, especially with my GF.
But if you like to head this way - without me.
Stay happy where you are and go on to believe every BS gov tell you to believe, i'm out and you're on my blocking list.
I'm to old to care about people like you.

 

[lonewolf]

first we had people knocking our late queen, now we have someone slandering the British Army.
I've had enough of this rubbish.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Nope, they don't, they are all holy men and don't even kill an ant.
OK, kids aren't ants...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers

It appears from the cited article, the problem in accountability lies largely with the "Police" and "civilian" UN forces rather than the military. Where there are no repercussions, you will see an explosion in amorality.

"Although military personnel are covered by military codes of conduct and justice systems, UN police and civilian staff accused of SEA[clarification needed] in the field may face only minor disciplinary measures, such as repatriation and being barred from future deployments," the unclassified document reads.[8]

Unlike Russian military forces, where this is left undisciplined, and by some troop testimonials, acceptable and even behavior encouraged by higher ups, if caught UN military troops will be punished.

 

[Jim Costa]

Interview with Scott Ritter, WHERE is the War in Ukraine going?

30 Minute Video

 

[DrHenley]

Interview with Scott Ritter, WHERE is the War in Ukraine going?

30 Minute Video

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[Jim Costa]

Correct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BCM-Daw7Gc

 

[DrHenley]

Thanks

 

[GaRp58]

While in Croatia, the POS diplomatic "observers" from about 6 or 8 different nations were all living in Zagreb, taking occasional trips to "old fighting areas" and living on the high horse with an additional 100 German Marks DAILY as "so-called---DANGER PAY!" The same POS *******s were spending the Danger Pay on young college girls who desperately needed money to survive the war and keep studying to come Sing, Dance, Play, Cuddle and have sex with the old *******s while their wives and kids believed that they were in the middle of the "worst danger zones" and afraid they could die a horrible death at any minute....don't try to tell me any other stories of what you read or hear, I KNOW WHAT I SAW. The truth will NOT set you free, IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK AS A DOG and want to start lynching POS people on the open street.

 

[Jim Costa]

So what's your point?
For me, POS means Point of Sale. What does it mean to you?

What is your recommendation on what we should do??

 

[GaRp58]

No point, no recommendation. Just do not point the finger at anybody special. Everybody has good and evil in them...the only difference is, which do YOU FOLLOW?
We all have to go thru tough times. Remember when you get into your tough times to be a human living and not a human being. Treat everyone as you wish to be treated when you are behind bars or in chains...
Do not expect anyone to do something which you would not or will not do yourself....
Live free, Gary

 

[EastenerWesterner]

I think we all know POS means. You gotta take blinders off the retail world of it meaning Point of Sale.

 

[GaRp58]

POS??
PIECE
OF
STUFF FROM URANUS

 

[Jim Costa]

So are you saying that the particular observer from the video I posted is automatically a POS banging college girls?
Just trying to figure out what you were sharing with us.

 

[GaRp58]

Please learn to NOT READ BETWEEN THE LINES when someone it sharing an exact experience....
Do not try to put words in my mouth and do not try to twist my truth into that which could, would or might fit into your designation of "truths" or whatever you want to hear or read....
If you desire to make any comments and expect to hear certain "answers" from everybody without being able to just accept the other persons truths and answers, then do not be unhappy with the results of the snowball you kicked loose...
I am only reading what others write "or copy and paste" in this forum and adding my 2 cents of opinion...
and occasionally I add my million dollars worth of knowledge, experience and truth...
Nothing can replace the knowledge I have accquired in my 65 years, no-one has enough money to pay for what I can share. So, if you wish to keep getting free stuff that is worth millions, just read and contemplate where the wisdom is hidden in my futile words and say thanks or IGNORE IT. That is how you learn to LIVE FREE!
Do not be a slave of your own words and experience, God gave you two eyes and two ears...but only one mouth...
This is his natural way of gently telling you to LOOK and HEAR twice as much as you speak my friend...Gary

 

[Jim Costa]

My apology Gary. I don't know people here and was just trying tu understand what you were saying.
I was trying to hear you, to listen.

 

[user 7368]

first we had people knocking our late queen, now we have someone slandering the British Army.
I've had enough of this rubbish.

It has nobody here your former Queen "knocked", that would do not even I, but only "King" Charles and Liz Truss what has annoyed you at that time so.
The WEF supporter Liz Truss did not take it long, many people here have foreseen so, now is for you the WEF supporter Rishi Sunakand he power and he has already made an additional kowtowing to his boss Klaus Schwab at the WEF in Davos, your country is also ruled by WEF criminals.

You can put me now with pleasure on your black list, because on mine you are also because you have called my friend as garbage.

 

[user 7368]

Unlike Russian military forces, where this is left undisciplined, and by some troop testimonials, acceptable and even behavior encouraged by higher ups, if caught UN military troops will be punished.

What are UN troops punished with?
At best, they are told as a punishment, "You'd better not do that again in the future," and they let you go.
The Russians make crimes YES, wars in Africa are however still forbandet, there the defeated one is raped at the running meter by the winner and all look away, it is simply in such a way, also the west looks away, still more away looks the west if it is in its interests.
The media here keep everything under the lid, you hear only evil Russians and decent Ukrainians.
That Selensky and his military leadership including the Ukrainian secret service filter the whole country and civilians disappear without a trace, if you only have a Russian book from your grandfather on the shelf, nobody says.
Also the Ukrainians rape and kill their own population, only a small suspicion or a word is enough and you are gone.

Selenzky has cleaned the whole parliament, there is now only his party, other politicians, journalists priests and media who are not 100% on his line have either been arrested or killed.
Russia is not a democracy in the Western sense, Ukraine has never been one and is now a dictatorship like the Third Reich, and our democracy?
That was once and is also past, we notice on our side of the sea and on your likewise. Since Corona, democracy is a wastepaper and is eroded more and more, so I'm not surprised that from the international law of war to other everything dies.

What remains for us? To adapt to new things. I also find this way questionable and would have imagined it differently, but if you do not adapt to the "new" circumstances today, you will be driven like a sheep to the slaughter.
What was in terms of democracy and decency as far as there was still is unfortunately over, the world now is (unfortunately) another.

As I said, I'm not saying that makes me happy, but we must adapt to this new situation, because if we can not, the coming bang will tear into the abyss.