Russia Versus The Ukraine

[Survivor_316]

I like the phrase "I'm pan-trib. It will all pan out in the end."

 

[Ling31]

Not so sweetie. Many of us in here very much believe in God and his Word. As for the rapture? I’m torn as when it will happen. God has not given me a clear answer on when it will happen.

Seems the mid term rapture is a relatively new doctrine when compared to the doctrinal history of the church. The articles of faith did confirm a strong conviction that if it was good enough for our Lord and the early church to suffer death and persecution then it be good enough for us to die for the faith too., Where as the church was seen as the continuation of the spiritual Israel of God which included believers from the 4 corners of the world. Now with the new beliefs of Nelson Darby from the 19th century England which were rather revolutionary and perhaps heretical he put the Jewish ones entirely above and outside the standard realm of Christian salvation classifying them as serving God in one of his many dispensation periods of prophecy. My bible only teaches one universal body the body of Christ the Israel of God and not two. Peachy Bruce Gore seminary teaching ( the age of Dispensationalismin in America ) might be some help. You find on U tube. Maybe these books may be of some interest as well. Our bible says if anyone comes with a different gospel other than the gospel of Christ even if he a angel let him be accursed.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

I am here on this earth at God’s discretion. If being here thru the Tribulation is his wish, I will gladly do his will!

 

[Ling31]

I am here on this earth at God’s discretion. If being here thru the Tribulation is his wish, I will gladly do his will!

That be good we not. We not want any rapturous ones going AOL thinking they are flying off to heaven when they be merely hiding under their bed : ) All be required with ammo and gun fully loaded

 

[poltiregist]

----- World Health Organization now putting out warning . Countries / preppers need to stockpile medicine for" Nuclear War ."

 

[Survivor_316]

That be good we not. We not want any rapturous ones going AOL thinking they are flying off to heaven when they be merely hiding under their bed : ) All be required with ammo and gun fully loaded

Haha I don't think any peppers are going to be hiding under their beds regardless of their interpretation.

Nobody knows for sure. (unless God has given you specific knowledge, in which case you are wise to heed whatever he says!)

You don't pack jumper cables because you expect your battery to go dead, you do it because you don't know the future.

 

[poltiregist]

--- Here is information for those that prepare for the worst .

 

[Survivor_316]

--- Here is information for those that prepare for the worst .

So, what do you think this means as far as war with them? Do you expect they'd nuke us into an oblivion or try to salvage the land?

 

[poltiregist]

So, what do you think this means as far as war with them? Do you expect they'd nuke us into an oblivion or try to salvage the land?

It is just my personal guess , but I don't think they will Nuke us into oblivion even though they likely could . Like all wars fought since the dawn of mankind , the victors want to reap the spoils of war . As much as most despise the leadership in the United States Capitol , I don't expect them to destroy it , not out of some code of war but because they want to leave the idiot in charge in a position that he can surrender the country . Much of the country would be destroyed to bring on the surrender but they especially want the fertile land for agriculture . -- This theory applies to other countries as well .

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

Totally agree on them wanting the land. China is backing them, and we all know they have a multi year plan to take it.

In my humble opinion I can see them taking out DC because they know biden will be in a bunker. Taking out DC puts them in a better position, because it disables much of our government system. Taking out NYC as well as the military bases on the coast is a real advantage too.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Nobody needs to bomb or invade the US. We're allowing it to be taken over from within. We're losing vast areas of the US to the invasion from our southern border. This is by design, not because of an incompetent government. Unless we all get involved and start supporting true conservative candidates, and then hold them accountable, we're lost as a sovereign nation. We're all guilty of allowing everything that's going on. Our elected representatives never talk about deportations anymore and they've changed the name from illegal aliens to undocumented immigrants or migrants. What the heLL does that even mean?!

 

[Jim Costa]

Well said Articdude. I think that the time has come it stop all the games and is about to shift into high gear.

 

[Survivor_316]

Well I appreciate everyone's views. I agree that whatever the path, we need to start acting quickly.

 

[GaRp58]

https://www.floppingaces.net/most-w...estern-ukraine-if-there-is-no-russian-offens/

 

[user 7368]

I don't believe a word Blinken says, he is the same lying dog as Joe and various European government leaders, all these people want to start WW3 at any cost.

The saying in Europe is still, only weapons will lead to peace.
Before this saying is not eliminated we stand every day closer to the precipice of World War 3.

The other question will be whether Russia will still take up an offer from Blinken and Joe, probably not.

The reason will be that various European government bosses have publicly said that the Minsk 2 agreements of a few years ago were only a farce to stall the Russians, why should Russia believe Bliken`s words?
It may well be that Russia will now wind up Ukraine before Western tanks and jets arrive there, regardless of whether Putin or perhaps soon a successor is in power, Russia will no longer place much trust in Europe and the USA.

 

[user 7368]

Here is another article from the enemy press of the EU and USA

https://www.rt.com/russia/570701-russia-governor-bounty-tanks/
It will be very embarrassing for Joe and Blinken if the Russians get their hands on US tanks and bring them to Russia for inspection. I say the USA will not deliver tanks to Ukraine, this will be put on hold because the Russians will get these tanks.
For this bounty, the corrupt Ukrainians will drive the US tanks to the Russian border themselves if they can collect the money.

How it continues we see, but one thing is clear, in Europe Germany is once again to take over the "leader" role, apparently one has forgotten how it ended a few decades ago. The difference with today, however, is that Germany is very close to being called an active belligerent by Russia, and Russia today has military equipment, an army and nuclear weapons, while Germany has nothing because it gave everything to Ukraine. The German army is nothing in terms of manpower and sits on defective and unusable material.

 

[GaRp58]

The german fools are walking quickly to their second defeat by the russians...
If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to REPEAT IT...

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Name any country that is not corrupt? They are all corrupt to one degree or another.

Not Yours to Give: Davy Crockett and Welfare​

Not only is taxpaid, government dictated welfare opposite to Christian charity, it also flies directly in the face of the Constitution of the United States.

Hero of the Alamo Davy Crockett was a colonel in the Tennessee Regulars and was elected to the House of Representatives from his native state. That was before his part in the valiant defense of the famed Alamo. He served three terms as congressman.

While Crockett was in Congress a distinguished naval officer died, leaving a widow. Members of the House proposed to appropriate $20,000 of public money to give to the widow to assure her welfare and to honor the memory of the late officer. Crockett opposed that appropriation in such persuasive terms that it received only a few votes and was defeated.

Before you consider him heartless, hear the facts which will show he was just the opposite. Others before him had said that the country owed the departed officer a debt. Crockett reminded the House of the countless men who had served their country with distinction, but to whom Congress never admitted owing a cash debt. In Crockett's speech before the House, he said the following:

"Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living.
"I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to so appropriate a dollar of the public money.
"Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the grounds that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him. This government can owe no debts but for services rendered, and at a stipulated price. If it is a debt, how much is it? Has it been audited, and the amount due ascertained? If it is a debt, this is not the place to present it for payment, or to have its merits examined. If it is a debt, we owe more than we can ever hope to pay, for we owe the widow of every soldier who fought in the War of 1812 precisely the same amount.
"There is a woman in my neighborhood, the widow of as gallant a man as ever shouldered a musket. He fell in battle. She is as good in every respect as this lady, and is as poor. She is earning her daily bread by her daily labor; and if I were to introduce a bill to appropriate five or ten thousand dollars for her benefit, I should be laughed at, and my bill would not get five votes in this House. There are thousands of widows in the country just such as the one I have spoken of, but we never hear of any of these large debts to them.
"Sir, this is no debt. The government did not owe it to the deceased when he was alive; it could not contract it after he died. I do not wish to be rude, but I must be plain. Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity.
"Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

When Crockett was later asked why he invoked the Constitution in that manner, and what led him to speak so clearly and forcefully against appropriating such a seemingly small amount, he told of an earlier, somewhat similar event.

There had been a fire in suburban Georgetown during Crockett's first term in Congress. He was among several congressmen who rushed to the scene, helped to fight the fire, and sought shelter for the victims who were shivering on a cold night. The very next morning Congress appropriated $20,000 for the relief of the fire victims. Crockett spoke in favor. Because there was opposition, the vote on the issue was recorded in the journals of that day's proceedings and a listing was made of those who voted for and those who voted against the appropriation.

Crockett said that when he went back to his home district to run for re-election he stopped to solicit the vote of a farmer plowing in his field. The man remembered Colonel Crockett, said he had voted for him the first time, but that he would not vote for him again. The farmer had read a newspaper account of that $20,000 gift to victims of the fire. He saw Crockett's name listed as supporting the measure. The farmer then proceeded to explain to congressman Crockett:

"The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be trusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government.
"While you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing from thousands who are even worse off than he. If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20 million as $20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and in any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other.
"No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in the country as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life. The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from necessity of giving what was not yours to give.
"The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution. So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you."

Every American citizen has a moral and spiritual obligation to see that no neighbor, no person, child or adult, suffers for the lack of necessities while he has the slightest surplus in his own name. But neither does man have the right to use government and the law, in the name of charity, to force the unwilling to do that which he would not do if the choice were his.

Before any citizen concludes that the poor have a better life under state welfare than their counterparts had under true charity one hundred years ago, he should examine the present and investigate the past.

https://www.101bananas.com/library2/crockett.html

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

 

[Jim Costa]

"He also reports that the U.S. is frantically trying to move those research projects to Europe and the Middle East. BP suggests the 31 tanks being delivered is a stalling action to remove evidence of the labs. He also points out since the war began in March, Russia has already destroyed 7,679 tanks there."

Source: My Rant yesterday recapping the BPEarthwatch Podcast on Ukraine.

 

[poltiregist]

First I will say , I am not directing this at anyone so hopefully no one will think I am targeting them . A a prepper forum , I would think members would be preparing for the worst and hoping for the best . The prepared seem to have their thoughts and plans on a solid foundation . The less prepare d's reactions though expected is pitiful .

 

[Dani]

This right here should be alarming for Americans, but yet so many will never see this due to the MSM. . . Zelensky Sent Out Government Decree to Destroy ALL INFORMATION on Hunter Biden's Metabiota Company on Same Day as Russian Invasion - Then Fire Spotted Outside Intel Headquarters



Zelensky sent out a decree on February 24, 2022 for government officials to destroy all information on the Ukrainian Research Anti-Plague Institute, Mechnikov Institute of Health of Ukraine, and the Zhytomyr Regional Laboratory Centers of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, who all worked with Metabiota Inc. (Metabiota) scientists.

These two documents were originally posted in June 2022. But today, we can confirm that these documents are authentic.

And today, we are including documents from Hunter Biden’s laptop that discussed his ownership percentage of the Metabiota company and his organization.

This government document is confirmed as authentic by XR Vision.

Zelensky was trying to erase all documents associated with Hunter Biden’s Metabiota Company before the War with Russia.

And Ukrainian officials started burning the documents THAT DAY!

BOMBSHELL FROM RUSSIA
Ukrainian document released to Russian media outlet, @izvestia, showing decree from Zelensky to destroy all files on Ukrainian defense service members, employees and staff of the state, and any involvement with Hunter Biden’s biolab METABIOTA, on 02/24/22, the same day the air strikes on Ukraine began.
See original document above on the left and then translated in English on the right. Holy **** is this a doozy. But wait, there’s a lot more.
Remember that infamous video of Ukrainian MIL burning documents RIGHT IN FRONT of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense building in Kyiv, Ukraine? On 02/24/22 THE SAME DAY OF THE DECREE FROM ZELENSKY.
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Yup. The MSM broadcasted a video of Ukrainian MIL destroying evidence of Ukrainian State involvement with HUNTER BIDEN’S BIOLAB in Ukraine, right as Russia was beginning its missile strikes.
You guys… we caught them all. We caught them in broad daylight on MSM. Check it out.

Here are several documents from Hunter Biden’s laptop discussing his ownership and connections to Metabiota.
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[Dani]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...te-working-together-cover-bioweapons-ukraine/
Blogger Jacob Creech aka @WarClandestine is back on Twitter thanks to Elon Musk, who first broke the Ukraine biolabs story Feb. 24, which Gateway Pundit was one of the only media to report on accurately.

Now Creech has released a Twitter thread detailing how “WW3 already started. Covid-19 was the first weapon fired.”

Creech said he would “address why US establishment politicians are sending tanks, jets, weapons, equipment, and $100+ billion to Ukraine. It has nothing to do with Ukrainian citizens, and everything to do with Deep State assets/secrets in Ukraine.”



“Flashback to 2005. Then Senator Obama and Senator Lugar visited former Soviet biological and chemical facilities in Ukraine, and established the US Deep State roots in Ukraine. To “counter bioweapons”.”



“The labs were “part of a Cold War network of ‘antiplague’ stations that supplied highly lethal pathogens to Soviet bioweapons factories”. So when Russia does “anti-plague” research its “bioweapons”.

But when the US does “defensive gain of function/directed evolution” research, it’s not bioweapons. In 2005 @washingtonpost admits that “anti-plague” research results in the production of “highly lethal pathogens” aka “bioweapons”.”



“The US, led by Obama, passed the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Act of 2005. The US took over former Soviet labs and facilities, supposedly to destroy stockpiles of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons in Ukraine.”

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine?...te-working-together-cover-bioweapons-ukraine/
“Obama opened the floodgates for the Deep State. Created biological weapons programs with the Ukrainian government, and established connections for US oligarchs to build biolab companies in the lawless land of Ukraine. Companies like Biden’s Metabiota.”



“Then the situation turned sour. Under US “supervision”, Ukraine fell into civil war in February 2014 (Obama). In the disarray of war, State Dept (Clinton) and the CIA, took full control of Ukraine’s government. Nuland facilitated a regime change.”

“Nuland, who spilled the beans on the fear of “Russian forces getting their hands on the biological research in Ukraine”, engineered the Color Revolution in Ukraine. They started a civil war, then picked their puppet to run the government, creating a Deep State proxy.”



“Now with complete control of the Ukrainian government, then the Bidens began their dirty work. Biden visited Ukraine 13+ times, securing US funding for Ukrainian oligarchs. Then used his power to fire a State prosecutor who figured out Biden’s kick-back/laundering scheme.

So the reason why all of our tax dollars are in Ukraine, is because Ukraine is a Deep State proxy, controlled by the ruling families of the DNC/Soros. They are trying to protect their assets/secrets in Ukraine. Most consequential of which is their biological activity.”

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/...te-working-together-cover-bioweapons-ukraine/

“The reason the US MSM went all out pro-Ukraine, is because the media is owned by the Pharma companies via advertisement money. The Pharma companies who rely on the biolabs in Ukraine to create pathogens so their vaccine scheme can profit… Starting to make sense?

The reason the @FBI and @DHSgov went full Orwell and weaponized Big Tech to censor all reporting on the Biolabs in Ukraine, is because intel community is compromised by the Deep State. The Deep State who can’t let people find out about their pathogen production scheme…”


“The reason Zelensky ordered the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense to destroy all State documents affiliated with US biolab companies “Metabiota and Battelle”… the day that missiles started flying (2/24/22)… Is because he knew Putin was looking for the bioweapons.

The reason the @WHO advised Ukraine to destroy all their pathogens (at the labs that the MSM said didn’t exist)… is because the WHO knew Putin was looking for the bioweapons. The same WHO that created a global medical police-state due to Covid-19.”


“Big Pharma, MSM, Big Tech, the Intelligence Community, Zelensky, WHO/NIH, and Deep State politicians are all working together to accomplish the same goal… To cover up the criminal biological weapons production in Ukraine. All the entities who happened to benefit from Covid-19.

This is why these entities are hyper-defensive about all things related to Covid-19, biological research, and Ukraine. It’s not because they are being philanthropic. It’s because we are close to the proof of their crimes against humanity. For which, the punishment is harsh.

Tanks, jets, weapons, equipment, $100+ billion in taxpayer funds, the lives of the Ukrainian people… All worthy sacrifices in the eyes of the Deep State. Whatever it takes to cover up their bioweapons production. WW3 already started. Covid-19 was the first weapon fired.”

 

[Helen Back]

"The Mozart Group, one of the most prominent, private American military organizations in Ukraine"..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hard-drinking-murky-finances-american-122830228.html

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

Putin seems to be making it clear he won’t fight the normal way…with tanks and such against NATO.

 

[poltiregist]

Interesting to watch some inadequately ready for a World War keep denying instead of prepping . This I suppose is expected but still is hard to watch as things continue to march off the cliff . Hard to watch or not though , it is still interesting times we are entering .

 

[Bacon112179!!]

Putin seems to be making it clear he won’t fight the normal way…with tanks and such against NATO.




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They think he will quit. The man is crazy he will go down swinging.

 

[lonewolf]

his time is coming to an end, there are many in the Kremlin think he has brought Russia to disrepute by invading Ukraine.

 

[GaRp58]

All he needs to do is make an effective EMP strike in a limited area of the Ukraine and effectively kill all the high-tech "gifts" from the western countries....kill the cell-phones, kill the GPS capabilities, kill the local drones and kill their ability to target the russians.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

May an lil EMP for Berlin and Bruxelles too? Just for a bit more silence and less BS?