Scary! Bill Gates becomes top US farmland owner

[kevin321]

Get ready. Here it comes.

Here what comes? Bill Gates/FEMA concentration camps? GTFOH with that nonsense.

 

[Weedygarden]

Here what comes? Bill Gates/FEMA concentration camps?

NO!

 

[user 5884]

The same folks who won't wear a mask because they refuse to live in fear refuse to get a vaccine because they're afraid of the side effects. Go figure.

I don't want to dwell on the devastation I'd feel learning I couldn't have children because of a vaccine's side effects. Luckily, that's a hypothetical.

I don't want to dwell on the pure, unbridled rage I'd feel learning a child, a nephew, a loved one...died of COVID because those who could be vaccinated, could break the chain of transmission....chose not to. I think the most insidious thing about COVID is it's invisible- most of the time, you can't say with 100% certainly Person X transmitted it to Person Y. Person X doesn't fully experience the consequences of their actions. Person X doesn't have to stay up all night with a sick kid. Or stay home from work. Or take them to the ICU. Or worse.

But if you could say with 100% certainty Person X caused the death of your child, because they chose not to be vaccinated...I don't think I could ever forgive that. And if I was Person X...I don't know that I could live with it, wake up every day knowing the consequences of my choice.

That's why I'm getting vaccinated.

 

[lonewolf]

GMO foods are still mainly illegal in the UK, no one trusts them.

wait until we get a trade deal with the US, GMO will be mandatory then.

 

[user 7368]

Right now though there is no indications of anything like this happening. So far they are conjecture with no medical evidence and are just theories that scare people.

There is no medical evidence because the government and medical professionals are not looking for it. There is a lot of pressure that no autopsies are made, on the contrary, it cannot go fast enough to cremate the bodies. Read my contribution "16" in the topic, but you can still have your own opinion.

https://www.doomsdayprepperforums.com/threads/covid-guinea-pigs.13486/
One more thing you should explain to me, why is the government sending the police straight to the people at home who ask decent and critical questions ??? In a democracy you have to ask critical questions of the government without the storm troops knocking on the door and then face you with repression and intimidation. Even if you want to deny that, here is the fact by now and many model democratic states are now almost on a par with Zimbabwe.

To be honest, one currently has more democratic rights in "bad" Russia than in Europe and fewer restrictions, in Russia one only attracts negative attention when one curses Putin publicly and effectively in the media, here one is already negative when one is already doing or piping asks decent questions.
Has not much to do with Gates now, but it is precisely this censorship of opinion that is now the result, the people's opinions are erased or intimidated with state power, Orwell sends his regards.

 

[Brent S]

I am only sure of one thing on this. The covid vaccines are new. So far the evidence seems to show they are safe with minimal side effects. But just the fact that they are new and haven’t been tested over long times means there may be side effects that show up down the road. Right now though there is no indications of anything like this happening. So far they are conjecture with no medical evidence and are just theories that scare people.

Again Religar, your opinions on my posts are not wanted, respected or cared about. You have shown what a disrespectful, low intelligence and low class person you are too many times to me. Disagreeing on topics is good for debate and constructive as it can show new points of view. Rudely attacking people is just low class.

 

[Brent S]

The Pfizer vaccine is very scare to me. . . look at how many have had major side effects and deaths. I can not trust something that is brand new like this vaccine or the others that are Mr. . whatever it is. Johnson and Johnson is coming out with more of a traditional vaccine that I would be more willing to trust, even though I will choose not to take a vaccine, but if I would have to chose one that one would be it.

I believe it’s a sign of intelligence to question things, especially when they relate to your health. I just know that more than half the articles written on most subjects are either based on fear, presented by someone that’s trying to sell you something, or is just made up ignorant talk. With the wealth of information out there it takes a lot of reading to try and find real information that’s unbiased.
All this being said, I agree with being cautious when injecting anything into your body. With the millions of doses of these vaccines given so far I don’t see any evidence of major problems, so far. Is there a possibility of long term issues? Sure, but right now I am sure of one thing. I’m pushing 60, have some heart blockage, am 30lbs overweight and have some respiratory allergy issues. There is little doubt, for me, that the vaccine is safer than the virus. If I was in my twenties and as healthy as I was then, I might consider the odds differently.

 

[user 5884]

More people die slipping in their shower than have died of the COVID vaccine. Probably orders of magnitude more. Same goes for drowning, gas leaks and carbon monoxide, car crashes, dog attacks. You take risks every single day, and if you really set the bar for "too risky" at the vaccine, and applied the same standard equally- you'd never make it out of bed.

Time was Native Americans wouldn't have their picture taken, for fear the process stole part of their soul. People are wary of new and unfamiliar technology, but that doesn't mean it's riskier than what we've always been doing.

 

[lonewolf]

Covid is mainly only dangerous for the elderly with underlying health conditions, if you check the stats the majority of the deaths fit this category.
keep away from other people and you wont get infected, thats what I do and I havent caught Covid yet and seeing the infection rates in my area are low and always have been low I dont see me getting it, if I lived in London or one of the big cities then it might be different.
you makes your choices and you takes your chances, as we say here.

 

[user 5884]

More than 750 folks under 24 have died here in the states- while that's a lower number than older age groups, it's higher than the total death count for some nations. I don't think that's something to be proud of.

You're right- if folks took precautions like social distancing, and wearing a mask, and getting a vaccine, we wouldn't be looking down the barrel of half a million deaths. Other countries aren't facing that catastrophe. Here in the states, we've separated the concept of personal choice from the concept of personal responsibility.

Everyone has the right to make bad decisions, decisions that burden others with the consequences of their actions. Everyone has the responsibility to make informed decisions. To shoulder the burden of bad decisions, instead of passing the buck to others.

 

[BillMasen]

Nope. Think back a couple hundred years when there were estates all over Europe. They were run by barons and other noblemen. The people who did the work were serfs, aka peasants. Get ready. Here it comes. In my genealogy research, I learned that the peasants were not that different than slaves, and their owners even selected who most of them married.

Over a 1000 years ago actually, and the cultures were far more varied and complicated than you describe. EG you dont train and arm slaves but most of Europes peasentry were trained with sword, pike and long bow. What they did not have was a VOTE. Peasant were simply common folk who often lived and worked on what is called COMMON LAND, whilst ancient nobility only held hunting rights over their land. Look at the Americas ROBBER and RAILROAD barons with tens of thousands of basic serfs building the trans continental railroads. , And that was only 150 years ago in the US. And NO FEW Lords decided who married who, But most LORDS also represented the Church in their counties thus the peasants needed the Lords PERMISSION to marry.

Concentration camps FYI the FIRST of them came in the 1800s first in South Africa with Britain encarcerating Boers and letting them starve. Second was in the United States during the Civil war at Andersonville where Confederate put thousands of Federal prisoners into one of the most barbaric and inhuman compounds in history.

Your studies were somewhat lacking in accuracy.

 

[bill harrell]

I'm right next to a 10000 to 12000 acre farm he owns here .they farm rice. They have their own driers and huge elevators. But , if it makes you feel any better he bought it from opra winfrey. It's called angelina plantation. Hmm how fitting boss.

 

[BillMasen]

As I said before I 100% absolutely respect and support everyones RIGHT to not wear masks and be vacinated. But equally it is a TWO WAY street, Everyone else has the equal right to protect themselves from the anti vaccers and none mask wearers by banning them from ALL premises, parks, shops, schools, offices, government buildings, malls, garages, hospitals , hotels, airports, transport hubs, supermarkets gas stations, banks, etc etc In the past people with transmitable diseases were normally forced into isolation like Leper colonies, Cholera camps, Ebola compouds etc. I dont think the refusers should ever be forced into quarentine or camps. But they cannot be allowed to endanger anyone else either So they must be banned from all other interaction with the rest of society.

 

[bill harrell]

Why is everyone talking covd on a bill gates thread? I don't get it , what's the association? Hmmmmm. Aw cmon guys, surely you don't think.
Yes you do.

 

[user 7368]

Again Religar, your opinions on my posts are not wanted, respected or cared about. You have shown what a disrespectful, low intelligence and low class person you are too many times to me. Disagreeing on topics is good for debate and constructive as it can show new points of view. Rudely attacking people is just low class.

Rellgar never wrote anything on this topic, I looked it up now and I have guaranteed not blocked him. Why do you mention him here in the topic?
I hope not that he is chasing you in your dreams. I don't want to be cheeky with you, different opinions have your advantage every now and then, also for me, but I am basically a critical contemporary, especially when it comes to the "work" of the super-rich, these people follow their own agenda and we are nothing for them.

 

[Brent S]

Rellgar never wrote anything on this topic, I looked it up now and I have guaranteed not blocked him. Why do you mention him here in the topic?
I hope not that he is chasing you in your dreams. I don't want to be cheeky with you, different opinions have your advantage every now and then, also for me, but I am basically a critical contemporary, especially when it comes to the "work" of the super-rich, these people follow their own agenda and we are nothing for them.

This was just a personal dig at Religar for posting childish ‘ha ha’ on my posts. He was just too vulgar and personally insulting to me a few times now and I simply wanted him to know he isn’t welcome or worth discussing anything with. As far as caring about anything he says, well, luckily he just doesn't rate high enough for me to.

 

[Dani]

This was just a personal dig at Religar for posting childish ‘ha ha’ on my posts. He was just too vulgar and personally insulting to me a few times now and I simply wanted him to know he isn’t welcome or worth discussing anything with. As far as caring about anything he says, well, luckily he just doesn't rate high enough for me to.

He does a lot of HaHa's on my post too. . . I dont find it offensive to me though.

 

[bill harrell]

Because I make a choice to do or not to do something has nothing to do with fear. You are imposing your thought processes on me .I try very hard to not let fear be a determining factor in my decisions as that tends to cause rash and incorrect decisions in most cases. But for you to assume I made a decision based on fear, you are wrong, that is what you may be doing. I couldn't care less what the benefits or the risks of a vaccine are. I care that you don't have the right to tell me I have to take it. Maybe you want me to go live on a leper colony or something. Maybe you should.

The same folks who won't wear a mask because they refuse to live in fear refuse to get a vaccine because they're afraid of the side effects. Go figure.

I don't want to dwell on the devastation I'd feel learning I couldn't have children because of a vaccine's side effects. Luckily, that's a hypothetical.

I don't want to dwell on the pure, unbridled rage I'd feel learning a child, a nephew, a loved one...died of COVID because those who could be vaccinated, could break the chain of transmission....chose not to. I think the most insidious thing about COVID is it's invisible- most of the time, you can't say with 100% certainly Person X transmitted it to Person Y. Person X doesn't fully experience the consequences of their actions. Person X doesn't have to stay up all night with a sick kid. Or stay home from work. Or take them to the ICU. Or worse.

But if you could say with 100% certainty Person X caused the death of your child, because they chose not to be vaccinated...I don't think I could ever forgive that. And if I was Person X...I don't know that I could live with it, wake up every day knowing the consequences of my choice.

That's why I'm getting vaccinated.

 

[lonewolf]

As I said before I 100% absolutely respect and support everyones RIGHT to not wear masks and be vacinated. But equally it is a TWO WAY street, Everyone else has the equal right to protect themselves from the anti vaccers and none mask wearers by banning them from ALL premises, parks, shops, schools, offices, government buildings, malls, garages, hospitals , hotels, airports, transport hubs, supermarkets gas stations, banks, etc etc In the past people with transmitable diseases were normally forced into isolation like Leper colonies, Cholera camps, Ebola compouds etc. I dont think the refusers should ever be forced into quarentine or camps. But they cannot be allowed to endanger anyone else either So they must be banned from all other interaction with the rest of society.

and who is going to police it? not the shops, supermarkets, filling stations etc.
sure people WITH the virus shouldnt be endangering anyone but I have never had Covid and never been anywhere were someone did have it, my area of the country has low infection rates and always has.
I wear a face mask and use hand sanitizer, but I havent been vaccinated and I dont see why I should be forced to have one against my will.
cutting someone off from supermarkets is cutting them off from their normal food supply and that is a basic human right and is probably illegal.
it is time people calmed down, we will be coming out of lockdown soon and things will revert to near normality, this disease will soon be a part of human history until the next disease comes along probably in about 5 years time if some reports are to be believed.

 

[Brent S]

and who is going to police it? not the shops, supermarkets, filling stations etc.
sure people WITH the virus shouldnt be endangering anyone but I have never had Covid and never been anywhere were someone did have it, my area of the country has low infection rates and always has.
I wear a face mask and use hand sanitizer, but I havent been vaccinated and I dont see why I should be forced to have one against my will.
cutting someone off from supermarkets is cutting them off from their normal food supply and that is a basic human right and is probably illegal.
it is time people calmed down, we will be coming out of lockdown soon and things will revert to near normality, this disease will soon be a part of human history until the next disease comes along probably in about 5 years time if some reports are to be believed.

I hope you are right about this thing dying down and some normalcy returns. I agree that people shouldn’t be forced to take the vaccine. I will with no hesitation but I think forced injections into people is pretty harsh. As far as forced mask wearing goes in public, I have no sympathy for anyone refusing to be a grown up. Wearing a mask isn’t giving up your constitutional rights or anything and really isn’t that big of a deal.

 

[Brent S]

He does a lot of HaHa's on my post too. . . I dont find it offensive to me though.

Did he tell you to fck off and hope you die? I lost any respect I had after multiple personal attacks from him.

 

[lonewolf]

I hope you are right about this thing dying down and some normalcy returns. I agree that people shouldn’t be forced to take the vaccine. I will with no hesitation but I think forced injections into people is pretty harsh. As far as forced mask wearing goes in public, I have no sympathy for anyone refusing to be a grown up. Wearing a mask isn’t giving up your constitutional rights or anything and really isn’t that big of a deal.

there will always be some that refuse a vaccine, either because of cultural or religious reasons or like me they just dont trust it.
I'm not anti vax I had my flu jab last year.
apparently in the UK of the priority groups already vaccinated there is a 89% compliance, if they can keep that up with the other groups then they will achieve Herd Immunity and the few like myself that arent vaccinated wont make any difference.

 

[user 5884]

Because I make a choice to do or not to do something has nothing to do with fear. You are imposing your thought processes on me .I try very hard to not let fear be a determining factor in my decisions as that tends to cause rash and incorrect decisions in most cases. But for you to assume I made a decision based on fear, you are wrong, that is what you may be doing. I couldn't care less what the benefits or the risks of a vaccine are. I care that you don't have the right to tell me I have to take it. Maybe you want me to go live on a leper colony or something. Maybe you should.

I may not be talking about you directly. If someone isn't getting the vaccine because they think it'll cause infertility- that's fear. You're afraid to do something (getting the vaccine) because you're afraid of the negative consequences.

I'm new to prepping, but one of the appeals to me is how preppers value self-reliance. Don't expect anyone to take care of you, for you. That's why I think vaccine hesitancy among this group is so odd- we're expecting everything to go back to normal, because everyone else will take a vaccine we don't want to take. Everyone else will take care of us, for us.

I don't think people should be forced to take the vaccine. But if you choose not to take it, don't come to work. Don't expect to get on an airplane. It's a decision, and all decisions have consequences.

 

[BillMasen]

and who is going to police it? not the shops, supermarkets, filling stations etc.
sure people WITH the virus shouldnt be endangering anyone but I have never had Covid and never been anywhere were someone did have it, my area of the country has low infection rates and always has.
I wear a face mask and use hand sanitizer, but I havent been vaccinated and I dont see why I should be forced to have one against my will.
cutting someone off from supermarkets is cutting them off from their normal food supply and that is a basic human right and is probably illegal.
it is time people calmed down, we will be coming out of lockdown soon and things will revert to near normality, this disease will soon be a part of human history until the next disease comes along probably in about 5 years time if some reports are to be believed.

No one is forcing you to do anything, and you cannot force anyone else to come into contact with you, its that simple.


Issue everyone who gets innuculated with an ID card stating the facts, No ID card no entry to shops, garages, malls, offices etc

Like I say its YOUR ABSOLUTE 100% totally guarenteed RIGHT to NOT have a vacine. And its everyone else right NOT to be exposed to YOU. Totally fair. Why should any innocent shop worker, office staff, petrol pum kiosk asttendant, bus driver, waitress be exposed unneccessarily . As I have said for DECADES with RIGHTS comes RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions.

Many of the spreaders have had no symptoms themselves they are just carriers, they could be anyone, Many people get tested and are surprised to find they have COVID anti bodies but have not even felt unwell.

Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing.

 

[bill harrell]

Reverse positions with me to be fair, you miss work and not ride an airplane to protect me from being exposed to something. Only I'm not afraid of you harming me nor do I expect you to make acommadations for me. Maybe we need a special airlines or markets for us unclean people. Or , make everyone a clean educated elitist like you.

 

[Amish Heart]

I still think we need to separate red states from blue states. We can live how we want to then.

 

[GaRp58]

Funny, if I go to France, I can drive all over the place for free, just need enough gas...Italy too, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia...BUT...if I want to use the well maintained and faster Highways...gotta pay!!! I figured out that it costs me more to pay the tollway from Germany to Paris than I need in just the gasoline to drive there...Same way to Rome in Italy...It is a 2 class system,,,us and them. They have the money to pay for the toll roads and DO NOT have to get into the traffic jams or red lights with the peanut section or riff-raff of life.......Now I get to my point...back in 1772 the French Revolution killed all the aristocrats and so-called Royals with the guillotine...the rest of Europe SAW what the PEOPLE (a majority) could to the ROYALS (the minority) and decided to use a very old idea from Greece called DEMOCRACY. ((where the people THINK they have the power))
So now we have democracy instead of monarchy...THEY still start wars and send our children to die, THEY still live in palaces WE BUILD AND FINANCE, THEY still ride around if their golden carriages, THEY still find and create new TAXES for us the PEOPLE to pay so THEY can build even more and bigger palaces, THEY still have secret police to spy on us, THEY still have the power to put us in the dungeon if we say anything wrong, ((Guantanamo)). THEY still have the power over the PEOPLE in that THEY decide what, when, where and if we can do something, have something, make something or deny something and what or where or when we can go to the church of our choices...THEY still have the hidden power to incite the OTHER PEOPLE to make us look stupid, morbid, dumb or TERROR suspicious....THEY have only changed the name of the power from MONARCHY TO DEMOCRACY. Nothing else has changed...Gary

 

[lonewolf]

No one is forcing you to do anything, and you cannot force anyone else to come into contact with you, its that simple.


Issue everyone who gets innuculated with an ID card stating the facts, No ID card no entry to shops, garages, malls, offices etc

Like I say its YOUR ABSOLUTE 100% totally guarenteed RIGHT to NOT have a vacine. And its everyone else right NOT to be exposed to YOU. Totally fair. Why should any innocent shop worker, office staff, petrol pum kiosk asttendant, bus driver, waitress be exposed unneccessarily . As I have said for DECADES with RIGHTS comes RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions.

Many of the spreaders have had no symptoms themselves they are just carriers, they could be anyone, Many people get tested and are surprised to find they have COVID anti bodies but have not even felt unwell.

Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing.

I dont agree, I have never had covid and live where the chances of getting it are low, why should I take a vaccine for something I have never had or will never have. these vaccines are only good for a maximum of 6 months anyway so why all the negativity around non vaccinated persons. people need to calm down and stop behaving like headless chickens.
an ID card for vaccines sounds like Nazi Germany "show your papers"!
like you say freedom of choice is a wonderful thing, so is not being persecuted for my right to live the way I want. its called democracy.

 

[Proud Prepper]

I dont agree, I have never had covid and live where the chances of getting it are low, why should I take a vaccine for something I have never had or will never have. these vaccines are only good for a maximum of 6 months anyway so why all the negativity around non vaccinated persons. people need to calm down and stop behaving like headless chickens.
an ID card for vaccines sounds like Nazi Germany "show your papers"!
like you say freedom of choice is a wonderful thing, so is not being persecuted for my right to live the way I want. its called democracy.

Only one thing wrong with your post, its not called democracy. Its called Liberty and here its supposed to be protected by the Constitution.

 

[lonewolf]

Only one thing wrong with your post, its not called democracy. Its called Liberty and here its supposed to be protected by the Constitution.

unfortunately I dont live in the USA where you have a written constitution.