Setting up the Ideal homestead or retreat small community for even tougher times

[montanabill]

any group of more than 1 is going to be a headache. I hope the inplace semi co operative system around here works if needed, it seems to be fairly functional now , but someone is usually irritated at someone else often enough. and then there are the non player around too. so who knows

As I have said before the physical challenges of food water shelter and defense pale beside the human interaction problems... And our current social structure with anonymous internet chatter and stupidity will not transfer to face to face hard times.

 

[elkhound]

long term survival = piped spring water...no pump,no fuss and no carrying buckets full...only fail point is pipe system itself....put in best you can afford..do it right...also if it is aging as you age its best to redo it going into old age so its one less headache going forward.

carrying water is time consuming and can break down the body...especially once you get older...bottom line you cant do what you did younger..even when 80yrs old compared to 70 yrs old.

i dont want to carry water......i want to spend my time doing other chores.

some of this type thing is based on permaculture where you have most visited and daily chores as close as possible while yearly chores are farther away...i.e. daily water close by...orchard farther away since it needs pruning once year and harvest only seasonally.

 

[montanabill]

More and more I appreciate where I live....comments like this from UserNameTaken...

"I have tried every which way, but the fact is, without power and flowing water from the faucet the Colorado River valley is untenable. There is 80,000 people living in a 30 mile long valley that 200 years ago supported 400 indians, and they were smart enough to head to the high country for the summer. And there's plans for 15,000 more homes."

I live close enough to the missouri river, 70 or so miles from where three amazing mountain trout streams join to form it and the population stretched along the next 500 or so miles includes one city of 50,000 or so...

We live in the splatter zone of missel fields but we have no nuke plants that could melt down with a major grid down situation that endures too long... The Mississippi corridor has what? 50 or so nuke plants with their holding ponds cooling the hot "depleted" fuel.
Cold? you betcha but I could take my wheel barrow and a bow saw and cut enough wood in a hour to heat for a day.

A wide mix of people from the dopers to right wing strict bible believers to the liberal any thing goes as long as it is my beliefs types.....The thing is there is enough unoccupied space people don't get to jammed together right now so if you meet someone of similar interest a conversation can spring up and i value that.

Just some musings on a windy 40 degree afternoon.

 

[Tirediron]

one thing for sure I will be glad I built my pedal saw when I did
https://www.homesteadingforum.org/threads/tirediron-pedal-powered-bucking-saw.15413/

 

[Sourdough]

I invite any member of this forum who has never read the survival books published after August 29, 1949.

Peak quality survival (thinking) books were published 1959 and up to 1979 to immerse in the "foundation" theories of quasi-modern prepping.

Building a solid prepping plan starts with a "SOLID" foundation.

 

[elkhound]

sourdough says and i agree
teton -35f sleeping bag = step#1 of foundation basics.

packframe=#2 of foundation....it has to have a foot on it or its worthless mostly

elk says handpump water filter is #3

 

[elkhound]

I invite any member of this forum who has never read the survival books published after August 29, 1949 and up to 1979 to bath is the "foundation" theories of quasi-modern prepping.

Building a solid prepping plan starts with a "SOLID" foundation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project

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