Unique Trade Goods

[lonewolf]

Toilet Paper

exactly.

 

[lonewolf]

trading and bartering,,, why are we talking about this???? many here think we will see a massive die of,possibly 75% or more,and people will spread out there will be some clusters but not many,,,,land homes and livestock abandoned and there for the taking,,,, it is not looting if the people are gone

most livestock are good escape artists especially sheep. personally I prefer game meat not farmed meat, but a few "rescued" sheep will keep the grass down when there is no fuel for motor mowers, pigs are good "tractors" and will turn the soil over for us.

 

[Digout]

I have read Bic lighters are good trade goods.
a Bic lighter be more of a novelty.

The Bic will be a novelty after the gas runs out, however the flint and wheel can still be of use.

 

[Dracos]

Civilization consists of a food surplus, written language, and trade.

 

[lonewolf]

Civilization consists of a food surplus, written language, and trade.

there will be nothing civil WTSHTF.

 

[Illini Warrior]

The Bic will be a novelty after the gas runs out, however the flint and wheel can still be of use.

if you follow Selco - a big biz during the Balken War was refilling the disposable lighters >>> no big $$$ investment

https://www.primalsurvivor.net/how-to-refill-a-bic-lighter/

 

[Oddcaliber]

Zippo lighter flints and lighter fluid. That the way to go.

 

[lonewolf]

although I have a stash of disposable lighters my money is on flint and steel to outlast any lighters.

 

[MOS0231]

trading and bartering,,, why are we talking about this???? many here think we will see a massive die off,possibly 75% or more,and people will spread out there will be some clusters but not many,,,,land homes and livestock abandoned and there for the taking,,,, it is not looting if the people are gone

While I do not rule out a mass die off, namely in the major metro areas, or areas with limited water supply (i.e. imagine how Las Vegas will fare in a grid down situation, no water), I intend to see to it that the die off in my area is limited as much as possible.

 

[MOS0231]

Zippo lighter flints and lighter fluid. That the way to go.

Told the wife I want her to stock up on Zippo flints and fluid.

 

[MOS0231]

most livestock are good escape artists especially sheep. personally I prefer game meat not farmed meat, but a few "rescued" sheep will keep the grass down when there is no fuel for motor mowers, pigs are good "tractors" and will turn the soil over for us.

Do not know which livestock you have had, but I have done very well with goats, cows and hogs on pasture using portable electrified fencing.
Have not lost so much as one.

 

[lonewolf]

While I do not rule out a mass die off, namely in the major metro areas, or areas with limited water supply (i.e. imagine how Las Vegas will fare in a grid down situation, no water), I intend to see to it that the die off in my area is limited as much as possible.

how do you intend to do that? be everyone's supply depot?
I cant save everyone nor will I try.

 

[Mountain trapper]

how do you intend to do that? be everyone's supply depot?

I personally would supply as many people as possible with as much meat as I could in trade. Obviously my family would come first.

 

[lonewolf]

I personally would supply as many people as possible with as much meat as I could in trade. Obviously my family would come first.

I dont trust people that far, I dont intend to let ANYONE know I have ANYTHING.
Like I said WTSHTF it will be different over here.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I dont trust people that far, I dont intend to let ANYONE know I have ANYTHING.
Like I said WTSHTF it will be different over here.

I realize that every location is different and everyone's situation is different. I live in a very lightly populated area. Theres very few people around here and I know most of them. Everybody that I know is very welcome at our place.

 

[lonewolf]

I live on the edge of a small rural English market town, I know most people but very few work in Agriculture and even less have any rural skills or knowledge, most work in another place and its like a ghost town for most of the day, if a fast SHTF event happens most wont even make it back .

 

[MOS0231]

how do you intend to do that? be everyone's supply depot?
I cant save everyone nor will I try.

Can I bring in enough wood to heat for the winter by myself?
Maybe.
But with the neighbors help, I could. Then I help them in return. And so on.
We all grow the biggest gardens we can. Trade excess for different things.
Make trades for different things or just help someone because I can, especially the elderly.

Could I go it alone and survive?
Maybe.
But it will be a whole lot easier with many hands helping for different chores, and increase my chances of survival.

 

[lonewolf]

most people here dont even garden much less grow their own food, most houses are all electric, so even thinking any of them could survive SHTF much less help afterwards is a non starter..
I have planned a simple post collapse lifestyle with just me and mine, anyone else is on their own and its up them to prepare not me.

 

[Amish Heart]

That's how we live.

 

[Amish Heart]

Whoops...not like Big Paul, Like Mos

 

[Illini Warrior]

While I do not rule out a mass die off, namely in the major metro areas, or areas with limited water supply (i.e. imagine how Las Vegas will fare in a grid down situation, no water), I intend to see to it that the die off in my area is limited as much as possible.

someone already asked - How?

I'll ask my usual when the subject of sharing comes up - No matter your self sufficiency possibilities - you'll have to be dipping into your stockpile (I envy the prepper with their own pharmaceutical plant) ...

Covid lasted how many months by anyone's count - 16-17-18 months? - remember the initial talk - BAD FLU SEASON

you have a personal stockpile of a year - you start sharing - it's not BS Covid and absolutely everything stops dead - suddenly the "official SHTF forecast" goes from a "couple of months max" to "no end in sight" ....

unless it's a natural disaster - with a very predictable termination >>> Share how much? - Share what? - Share with whom? - How do you stop the flow once you start? - Who's watching your back? ...

breaking your prepping OPSEC is the slipperiest slope around - doing it during a serious SHTF is probably suicide ...

 

[lonewolf]

I read a long time ago something that said if you dip into your stockpile for every waif and stray (or needy neighbour) that comes along very soon YOU will be the one starving, or something to that effect.
I do not intend to be that person.

 

[Dracos]

I will need labor to grow food. People will need food.

 

[lonewolf]

I will need labor to grow food. People will need food.

depends how many your growing for, the more people you feed the more you need to grow, the more you grow the more people you'll need for the labour to grow it.
it also depends on how many people survive, general estimates say not many.
keep it simple is my philosophy.

 

[Mountain trapper]

depends how many your growing for, the more people you feed the more you need to grow, the more you grow the more people you'll need for the labour to grow it.
it also depends on how many people survive, general estimates say not many.
keep it simple is my philosophy.

I think the survival rate would differ considerably from one area to another. Big cities and especially big cities in desert areas would be low. I think the survival rate in rural areas would be very high. Almost everyone in my area raise livestock, grain, have orchards, chickens, horses, gardens and heat with wood. Many people around here already trade. A couple years ago I traded our old barn for help reparing fencing, every year I trade beef for firewood or something else I need. Much of our excess garden produce we give away as well as our excess eggs. Recently I bought some farm equipment for a young man who is starting out ranching. In return he helps me out when I need something done. Trading is already going on in many areas, always has.

 

[user 6493]

most livestock are good escape artists especially sheep. personally I prefer game meat not farmed meat, but a few "rescued" sheep will keep the grass down when there is no fuel for motor mowers, pigs are good "tractors" and will turn the soil over for us.

within 5 miles of my house there must be at least 500 head of cattle,,,,,,,,, BEEF IT'S WHATS FOR DINNER AROUND HERE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if it ever does go to hell

While I do not rule out a mass die off, namely in the major metro areas, or areas with limited water supply (i.e. imagine how Las Vegas will fare in a grid down situation, no water), I intend to see to it that the die off in my area is limited as much as possible.

I won't even try to help more than the immediate neighbors,, hell most are better off than I am

 

[TexasFreedom]

While I do not rule out a mass die off, namely in the major metro areas, or areas with limited water supply (i.e. imagine how Las Vegas will fare in a grid down situation, no water), I intend to see to it that the die off in my area is limited as much as possible.

I think you are looking at things backwards. A healthy 1/2 of the population will be the cause of the collapse. And you want to save them, so that they can do it again?

I'd take the opposite approach. Pass out fliers that say anyone with a democrat voters ID should show up Saturday at 1pm at a baseball park (surrounded by lots of open fields. I'll assume this is a bigger city. Let them line up, and take them all out. Methods might vary: shoot them, poison them, etc. But LOTS of problems solved in one event. I don't want to make people suffer, but I want to take the problems before they become MY problem. Sounds mean? Nope. To me this sounds like problem solving in difficult situations. Maybe call it a form of 'triage'.

 

[MOS0231]

Whoops...not like Big Paul, Like Mos

I was tracking you.

I have noticed more and more people along my road growing gardens.
One guy now has cows. How he is going to sustain them from what I can see as maybe 1/4acre of grazing space, I do not know. He might be spending a lot of money on hay.
Another home has put in a good sized fencing and has chickens.

 

[MOS0231]

I think you are looking at things backwards. A healthy 1/2 of the population will be the cause of the collapse. And you want to save them, so that they can do it again?

I'd take the opposite approach. Pass out fliers that say anyone with a democrat voters ID should show up Saturday at 1pm at a baseball park (surrounded by lots of open fields. I'll assume this is a bigger city. Let them line up, and take them all out. Methods might vary: shoot them, poison them, etc. But LOTS of problems solved in one event. I don't want to make people suffer, but I want to take the problems before they become MY problem. Sounds mean? Nope. To me this sounds like problem solving in difficult situations. Maybe call it a form of 'triage'.

My "town" if you could call it that, is just over 600 people according to the last census.
Now, counting all the Amish and their kids, might be closer to 800.
Most of us, but not all, fly the American flag out here. More than a few Trump supporters.
Does not matter their political affiliation. If anything, such a collapse might be what we need to get people to understand the importance of small government at the local level. They might have to put in a honest days work, sweat, get blisters and callouses.

I am not interested in joining the ranks of other people who committed wholesale murder based on political beliefs like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao.

 

[MOS0231]

someone already asked - How?

I'll ask my usual when the subject of sharing comes up - No matter your self sufficiency possibilities - you'll have to be dipping into your stockpile (I envy the prepper with their own pharmaceutical plant) ...

Covid lasted how many months by anyone's count - 16-17-18 months? - remember the initial talk - BAD FLU SEASON

you have a personal stockpile of a year - you start sharing - it's not BS Covid and absolutely everything stops dead - suddenly the "official SHTF forecast" goes from a "couple of months max" to "no end in sight" ....

unless it's a natural disaster - with a very predictable termination >>> Share how much? - Share what? - Share with whom? - How do you stop the flow once you start? - Who's watching your back? ...

breaking your prepping OPSEC is the slipperiest slope around - doing it during a serious SHTF is probably suicide ...

Read Arcticdude's post #85.

Out here everything is out in the open. Nearly everyone has a garden of some kind. Lot of livestock out here. It is a given everyone has a pantry as we get winter storms where we might be snowed in for a few days. Nearly everyone heats with wood. It is a matter of getting everyone through the bottle neck, to the other side to get to a place where everyone has a big garden, trading seeds, trading surplus for other things, breeding programs, etc. to make sure no one goes hungry.
We will lose some, of course.
But I know full well my chances of making it get a whole lot better if I have like minded people, all moving toward a common goal of feeding our selves and each other than by myself.