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I did get to see it. Will catch the latest later on.
Watersheds, rivers, fish and more
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Help Support Homesteading & Country Living Forum:
https://www.instagram.com/shaneandersonfilm/reel/C-ddRvwSH1r/
not sure why forum is not showing link like it use to....its a decent short video to see.
not sure why forum is not showing link like it use to....its a decent short video to see.
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That's fine, you can keep linking to short videos showing bare chested healthy-looking young-ish dudes swimming under water. The water looks good, the fish are plentiful.
Distracted !!...lol
getting closer...more connection made now !
WOW...just WOW...already seeing the results...read the text below and scroll through these pictures...looks fantastic and functioning even better....its going to be able to bounce back way faster than the Elwha river has because of far less sediment and much more....spawn and run and grow fish !
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Years ago here in my area there was a push to replace bridges with huge culverts. A few years back the took them out or massively reworked them. While not a dam. When water was low it essentially blocked the fish movements.
I've spent years doing fisheries projects on the Klamath and it's tributaries...lived in Klamath for a few years too..beautiful country. There are oaks up river a bit..
Not sure how I missed this thread..
Sad to hear they screwed up the spawning grounds..I was there when the water got so low the temps killed fry and alot of restoration work went to crap..for alot of runs..but they recovered eventually. Too bad they didn't put structures in to catch the mud . I Spent alot of miserable days mud bucketing out pits of blue goo from the caltrops screw up on the Klamath bypass hwy project..
Not sure how I missed this thread..
Sad to hear they screwed up the spawning grounds..I was there when the water got so low the temps killed fry and alot of restoration work went to crap..for alot of runs..but they recovered eventually. Too bad they didn't put structures in to catch the mud . I Spent alot of miserable days mud bucketing out pits of blue goo from the caltrops screw up on the Klamath bypass hwy project..
Very little silt has gone down the river...water quality is super high even after the last batch of breaking/putting river back in original channel....look for instagram post and guys dived on river filming....very clear..sadly the one guy doing drone filming on youtube has taken down all his video.Right befoire it all went poof he said he had gotten in trouble just from staying in a parking lot..overnight or some such nonsense....anyway....the one biggest slug in spring is gone and then they stocked again as back up......
one thing about these dams...they were going to removed regardless of fish as it was cheaper to tear down than repair so power company was taking them out...its going to happen again on river off to the south ...forget name....eel river maybe...it pumps water through a mtn to russian river...its coming out too per power company...cant afford to fix it...says it take decades to recover cost of upgrades.
The Elwha up on olympic penn was a nasty mess...everything left for a year..including all birds and otters etc. nothing lived...well sorta...it left and came back...but it had huge sediment loads 90 feet deep in places behind dams there...so kalamth has a fraction of silt build up from being smaller and shorter time period.
theres some changes coming up in idaho too....sooner than later.
one thing about these dams...they were going to removed regardless of fish as it was cheaper to tear down than repair so power company was taking them out...its going to happen again on river off to the south ...forget name....eel river maybe...it pumps water through a mtn to russian river...its coming out too per power company...cant afford to fix it...says it take decades to recover cost of upgrades.
The Elwha up on olympic penn was a nasty mess...everything left for a year..including all birds and otters etc. nothing lived...well sorta...it left and came back...but it had huge sediment loads 90 feet deep in places behind dams there...so kalamth has a fraction of silt build up from being smaller and shorter time period.
theres some changes coming up in idaho too....sooner than later.
I don't know if I can look at Instagram stuff if I don't have a account..but I'll check stuff on here when I have better service
Going to link a video that came out today on some work thats being done concerning coral reefs. Every little bit helps.....which bring me to this...acting local...my local lake has a program where they bought a bunch of man-made fish habitat structures to sink in the lake.They put many of them close to shore along public access areas so shore fishermen and others can access and benefit without being a boat owner...the rest was put in remote places for boat access only.
There was a local project that was tearing out large load of old concrete so they worked with lake and fish biologists and more to get it so they could use all of this as rubble type of structure for fish to hide in and breed etc same as the ones that were bought only on a much much larger scale. Also since all of this was from public funding and some private donations all of these spots are public knowledge for everyone to use and not be some secret squirrel fishing spots.They also collect christmas trees each year and sink those along public access areas for fish habitat as well.
anyhow mossy earth are working on a good project below
There was a local project that was tearing out large load of old concrete so they worked with lake and fish biologists and more to get it so they could use all of this as rubble type of structure for fish to hide in and breed etc same as the ones that were bought only on a much much larger scale. Also since all of this was from public funding and some private donations all of these spots are public knowledge for everyone to use and not be some secret squirrel fishing spots.They also collect christmas trees each year and sink those along public access areas for fish habitat as well.
anyhow mossy earth are working on a good project below
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well i debated to say anything..but i am going to @EastenerWesterner well the little bit of dam removal on kalamth river and the bit of silt/runoff.....well..its nothing compared to my region...imagine tearing down 1000's of dams at once....i bet if i dipped a 5 gallon bucket of water out of my local waterways right now and let it sit over night it would have 1 to 2 inches of mud in bottom of bucket by morning time.
The Elwha stayed muddy for a very long time....its going to be a long time recovery here i am afraid.....the kalamath that was muddy was 400 miles...hell we have 1000's of miles of rivers and creeks and lakes...yes multiple 1000's that has probably got fish and wildlife kill like never seen before...otters,muskrats and beaver are going to starve if they didnt drown or were killed off by debris.
My local lake has a debris field that as solid and bigger than debris in spirit lake when st.helens blew in 1980.
I am talking multiple states...GA,SC.,N.C.,VA.,TN.,WVA. and portions of KY.
i might stop fishing or at least not keep a fish at all because i believe going forward every fish left alive needs to breed come spring time.
This worse than any nuke going off could ever be.
The Elwha stayed muddy for a very long time....its going to be a long time recovery here i am afraid.....the kalamath that was muddy was 400 miles...hell we have 1000's of miles of rivers and creeks and lakes...yes multiple 1000's that has probably got fish and wildlife kill like never seen before...otters,muskrats and beaver are going to starve if they didnt drown or were killed off by debris.
My local lake has a debris field that as solid and bigger than debris in spirit lake when st.helens blew in 1980.
I am talking multiple states...GA,SC.,N.C.,VA.,TN.,WVA. and portions of KY.
i might stop fishing or at least not keep a fish at all because i believe going forward every fish left alive needs to breed come spring time.
This worse than any nuke going off could ever be.
As I pass over the Klamath a couple times a month, I have seen it clear up
But with each dam removal, it goes back to muddy. The amount of silt building up on the bends will take decades to flush out. Probably as long as it has been dammed up.
I don’t think I will see fishery recover in my lifetime. And that was was one of the reasons I didn’t argue when my wife wanted to retire up there.
But with each dam removal, it goes back to muddy. The amount of silt building up on the bends will take decades to flush out. Probably as long as it has been dammed up.
I don’t think I will see fishery recover in my lifetime. And that was was one of the reasons I didn’t argue when my wife wanted to retire up there.
the debris field in my lake is now larger than one on spirit lake at st.helens.
drove up river and around bits of lake...its a disaster zone...nothing like dam removals ever...FAR FAR WORSE....i just about cant believe it.....dead fish are now showing up...the water is still like hot chocolate drink its so thick.
i still have hope though.
drove up river and around bits of lake...its a disaster zone...nothing like dam removals ever...FAR FAR WORSE....i just about cant believe it.....dead fish are now showing up...the water is still like hot chocolate drink its so thick.
i still have hope though.
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That's awful to have to see, Elkhound.
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i put it here because it falls under watershed,fish and wildlife and more.
the silt in river killing fish and recovery...i hope to see a report from dnr soon...they are trying to see whats been killed and more.
A river I fished had a similar flood in 72. When I fished it in late 80’s it was pretty good
DEC/DNR had a pretty robust restocking system for trout.
DEC/DNR had a pretty robust restocking system for trout.
We rode to Douglas lake today. This is where most of the rainfall and flooding in NC ended up at. The lake is plumb full, but water was only murky, not muddy as I expected. No noticeable debries either. They had 10 of 11 flood gates open and spilling hard. River was out of its banks and extremely muddy, like hot chocolate. I assume as hard as they are dumping water, its sucking out all the debries.
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I finally found a statement from a govt. agency (well 3 actually) that backs my belief on the Klamath. https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/about-us. I might add that nowhere on this govt website do they explain the NOAA abbreviation.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feat...al-project-open-420-miles-salmon-habitat-fall
This article had this paragraph
I do believe in the long run the Govt will blame the Yurok tribe, who they put it charge of recovery.
I finally found a statement from a govt. agency (well 3 actually) that backs my belief on the Klamath. https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/about-us. I might add that nowhere on this govt website do they explain the NOAA abbreviation.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feat...al-project-open-420-miles-salmon-habitat-fall
This article had this paragraph
- The California and Oregon departments of fish and wildlife expect most fish populations will naturally repopulate the watershed. Stray salmon will lead the way. Salmon and steelhead typically return to the streams where they were born to reproduce. However, a growing body of evidence shows that both adult and juvenile fish occasionally stray from their natal habitat to explore new areas. This type of dispersal is well suited for the dynamic environment where salmon are found
I do believe in the long run the Govt will blame the Yurok tribe, who they put it charge of recovery.
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Not exactly true....Elwha river along with many others has proven that totally wrong...plus as example steelhead stocking from PNW to great lakes totally proves it wrong as all they done was stock fingerlings and in no time they created steelhead runs like no other.
As example on Elwha the salmon would go to the dam and beat their noses/heads against dam and will on any obstacle in their way.
But again going back to first point....these dams where coming out no matter what because owners...the power company...couldnt/wouldnt eat the cost of repairs and more...if they had the electric in area/state would be even higher to recover those cost...its going to happen next river south too..so get ready...power company says its not economically viable for repairs and to recover costs in timely manner..so its coming out pretty soon...i think its 2026 when they hope to start..i think its eel river and where they dump water through a 1 miles section through mtn to russian river...this country has infrastructure problem and no one wants to address it so economics is...its right in front of our eyes for all to see happening.
on to my local disaster....water still like hot chocolate....i think tomorrow will be day 14 or 13 since heavy rains started before hurricane done its deal.
cant wait to hear some reports from dnr fish guys and see what they are thinking and seeing and finding...its starting to get cool here and that triggers fish to run often here and wondering what striped bass,white bass and walleye will do if they aint dead and what baitfish population is like now for them.
As example on Elwha the salmon would go to the dam and beat their noses/heads against dam and will on any obstacle in their way.
But again going back to first point....these dams where coming out no matter what because owners...the power company...couldnt/wouldnt eat the cost of repairs and more...if they had the electric in area/state would be even higher to recover those cost...its going to happen next river south too..so get ready...power company says its not economically viable for repairs and to recover costs in timely manner..so its coming out pretty soon...i think its 2026 when they hope to start..i think its eel river and where they dump water through a 1 miles section through mtn to russian river...this country has infrastructure problem and no one wants to address it so economics is...its right in front of our eyes for all to see happening.
on to my local disaster....water still like hot chocolate....i think tomorrow will be day 14 or 13 since heavy rains started before hurricane done its deal.
cant wait to hear some reports from dnr fish guys and see what they are thinking and seeing and finding...its starting to get cool here and that triggers fish to run often here and wondering what striped bass,white bass and walleye will do if they aint dead and what baitfish population is like now for them.
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The Ashland Mill Dam in Hanover County, Virginia is being removed. The project started in September and is nearly completed. This will allow native fish spawning and rearing. The fish include hickory shad, American shad, blueback herring, alewife herring, striped bass, and sea lamprey. The dam was failing due to age and storms.
This will open 38 miles of river and over 108 miles of streams for fish to do their thing. Apparently the dam was preventing or delaying the upstream migration of juvie American eels.
The old dam was 13 feet tall and stretched 210 feet across the river.
If you already posted this, please let me know and I'll delete it.
Edit to add: please explain why the lamprey is necessary.
Here is a photo of such
Ugh, they scrape other fish up with their nasty mouth, parasitic. There is one seen in a better position in the photo. Also called the vampire fish, just in time for Halloween.
This will open 38 miles of river and over 108 miles of streams for fish to do their thing. Apparently the dam was preventing or delaying the upstream migration of juvie American eels.
The old dam was 13 feet tall and stretched 210 feet across the river.
If you already posted this, please let me know and I'll delete it.
Edit to add: please explain why the lamprey is necessary.
Here is a photo of such
Ugh, they scrape other fish up with their nasty mouth, parasitic. There is one seen in a better position in the photo. Also called the vampire fish, just in time for Halloween.
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monday oct 14th seen first change in water color since rain started and flooding on sept 27th
it was like hot chocolate and now its like coffee.
it was like hot chocolate and now its like coffee.
