What makes someone a REAL prepper?

[zoomzoom]

I suppose I could have taken out his Mom, but the four offspring would have been so sad.

Great pic. Don't know if they would be sad. I'd think they'd be happy knowing all the coats you made out of them and their mom.
Just kidding. Beautiful creatures.

 

[Hardcalibres]

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Assume that if you do not have exclusive access to the water, you think you will haul to your home, that gangs will control that water source, and demand painful compensation.

For any of you who are unsure about whether this really would happen.........it really does happen.

In Africa, and in normal times, this guy usually makes a pretty good living and does much better than average townsfolk and farmers.

His donkeys will usually be the best fed and in the best condition.

When a war comes along, the absolute first thing the rebels do, is take control of the water.

Control of the water gives them 100% control of the community.

 

[Haertig]

I have created a very simple test ... Warning roughly 90% will fail ... And that will be their "cause of death"

You should rework those test questions a little, to not be so lethal. That's one killer test you've got there. Literally.

 

[Hardcalibres]

More Africa anecdotes........

Stock transport in Africa.....these stock (one sheep, two goats and a calf) are alive and heading for a wet market........on a motorbike.

 

[Binky]

More Africa anecdotes........

Stock transport in Africa.....these stock (one sheep, two goats and a calf) are alive and heading for a wet market........on a motorbike.

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I'm seeing 4 animals there, there's a brown and white critter with it's head hanging upside down at the very, far back of the bike, directly behind the black and white calf. Sort of looks like the muzzle of another calf. Poor things if they're alive but they don't look alive to me.

 

[Hardcalibres]

I'm seeing 4 animals there, there's a brown and white critter with it's head hanging upside down at the very, far back of the bike, directly behind the black and white calf. Sort of looks like the muzzle of another calf. Poor things if they're alive but they don't look alive to me.

correct....one sheep, two goats and a calf.

They are all very much alive. If they were slaughtered before transport, the meat would spoil during the journey........and consumers want to see the animal alive and well before purchase to know how fresh the meat is and that the animal didn't die of sickness.

They are headed for a wet market where they will be sold......and then killed with a single blow of a knife to their throat ("wet markets" are in practice very wet with blood)......in a Halal compliant way.

It is a muslim thing.

Halal method:

The requirements are:

• The sheep must be facing Mecca.
• The slaughterman must be a Muslim.
• The slaughterman must bless the sheep.
• The heart of the sheep must be beating.
• The throat is cut with a very sharp knife.

 

[Haertig]

Very few people have a source of potable water that does not require treatment on their property. Most of the people who don't have their own water source will probably die very quickly. But not all of them. Some will manage to locate the ones that do have water, and will eventually drive them off or kill them to get it. Even if the water people managed to totally evade detection and remain safe hiding, eventually they would end up like that lone guy in futuristic horror movies who is walking around a deserted landscape without another living human for 1000 miles.

I agree with tipping the odds in your favor by whatever means you can afford. But in the end, in a true society-ending apocalypse, which people here seem to be talking about - I don't think much of anything is going to make a hill of beans of difference. Where preps will make the difference is if things return to pseudo-normal. You have to live long enough to see that happen.

These are just my opinions. Granted, they are not the opinions of a super prepper planning for immortality. I have no qualms with people attempting to do this, I just personally don't see a point to it. I prep for the return of society. Not for an eternity without it.

 

[Haertig]

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I would call preparing to live like this ... "super prepper". But even this guy appears to be heading into town (or wherever) to barter his payload. So not totally on his own.

 

[Supervisor42]

I agree with tipping the odds in your favor by whatever means you can afford. But in the end, in a true society-ending apocalypse, which people here seem to be talking about - I don't think much of anything is going to make a hill of beans of difference. Where preps will make the difference is if things return to pseudo-normal. You have to live long enough to see that happen.

These are just my opinions. Granted, they are not the opinions of a super prepper planning for immortality. I have no qualms with people attempting to do this, I just personally don't see a point to it. I prep for the return of society. Not for an eternity without it.

I agree.
I don't see the point in prepping, only to live in a world where you become the guy on the motorcycle above.
...Maybe you can put a positive spin on it by saying, he is a 'stock trader'?

 

[Hardcalibres]

Very few people have a source of potable water that does not require treatment on their property. Most of the people who don't have their own water source will probably die very quickly. But not all of them. Some will manage to locate the ones that do have water, and will eventually drive them off or kill them to get it. Even if the water people managed to totally evade detection and remain safe hiding, eventually they would end up like that lone guy in futuristic horror movies who is walking around a deserted landscape without another living human for 1000 miles.

I agree with tipping the odds in your favor by whatever means you can afford. But in the end, in a true society-ending apocalypse, which people here seem to be talking about - I don't think much of anything is going to make a hill of beans of difference. Where preps will make the difference is if things return to pseudo-normal. You have to live long enough to see that happen.

These are just my opinions. Granted, they are not the opinions of a super prepper planning for immortality. I have no qualms with people attempting to do this, I just personally don't see a point to it. I prep for the return of society. Not for an eternity without it.

The stages of argument/denial by folks with normalcy bias appear to be:

1. Bad crises cant happen
2. Bad crises wont happen
3. A bad crisis isnt happening
4. OK it is happening but no one can get prepared enough to survive this
5. .................

 

[Sourdough]

It is always the case those with redundant water sources respond with their many different reliable options for water.

Sadly, those who know their fate are quiet.

It is hard to "totally" list what makes someone a REAL PREPPER. But water, and a safe location, safe from humans, is a good start.

 

[Hardcalibres]

I would call preparing to live like this ... "super prepper". But even this guy appears to be heading into town (or wherever) to barter his payload. So not totally on his own.

I didn't say he was on his own.


A couple of days ago you posted that you dont think I could survive a severe crisis.

........well I have already survived working in the absolute worst and most dangerous places in the world........for nearly four decades.....and I still do that now.

The main reason that I still get asked/paid to do that is.......that I am very good at it.

......so you will have to excuse me if, when a very severe crisis comes along at home, I give it try.

It is all about mindset.

Quitters never win and winners never quit.

 

[Sourdough]

I agree with tipping the odds in your favor by whatever means you can afford.

It is not an issue of afford. It is an issue of priority.

 

[Hardcalibres]

It is not an issue of afford. It is an issue of priority.

....and it doesn't need to cost money.

Rural/remote land is a great investment.

 

[Sourdough]

Someone should write a book, to help "ANTI-PREPPERS" say stupid and flawed statements about prepping. Listing hundreds of pages of why they can't prepare.

 

[Hardcalibres]

Someone should write a book, to help "ANTI-PREPPERS" say stupid and flawed statements about prepping. Listing hundreds of pages of why they can't prepare.

.......or is it, no one should prepare.

They would rather we all not prepare.......just for their own peace of mind.

What does peace of mind mean?

Peace of mind means just what it sounds like: a state in which your brain is calm, at ease, and untroubled by worry. This common phrase describes a feeling of tranquility or state of carefree contentment that can be hard to achieve.

If they can convince us not to prep......then they can stop worrying about whether prepping is needed.

 

[Sourdough]

@Haertig

I admit it is entertaining and damn ballsy that three or four or maybe five members on a forum that @Swing recently described as basically/fundamentally a prepping forum, can't see the folly of badmouthing prepping.

 

[Haertig]

Some people think word "afford" is always about money. It is not. It can be about money, but it also describes other things. Like "time". Like "ability". I used the word to cover all those different contexts, to communicate "if it's within your capabilities". Look up usage of the word in a dictionary if you must. You assumed I used it on one simple context. That was an incorrect assumption.

 

[Haertig]

can't see the folly of badmouthing prepping.

So having a viewpoint different than yours, or mentioning an opinion/prediction that differs from yours is called "badmouthing" now?

Previously you said (paraphrased here) "A real prepper is someone who moves their family out into the middle of nowhere where they have multiple sources of water on their property". While everyone would probably agree that this would be a nice thing to have, implying that people are substandard preppers because they don't is not exactly an intelligent thing to say IMHO. But instead of pointing out the absurdity of your statement, I mentioned my thoughts on water in the apocalypse as a counter point. But to you, this was "badmouthing prepping". What an ignorant thing to say.

I have done a lot of prepping. Some of it may be different than the type of prepping that you have done. Some of it may be the same as prepping that you have done. We obviously prep for different lengths of survival. You need to learn to deal with the fact that some people have different ideas on how to do things than you do. Stop claiming that they are "badmouthing prepping", "wannabe preppers" and all the other insulting things you spout as you try to present yourself as superior.

You present your ideas. Others present their ideas. That's called a discussion. It's obvious that you think your ideas are superior. But not everybody agrees. Some of your ideas/comments are very good and show great insight. However, others seem to have come blasting in from a previous orbit around Pluto. When others cordially present a different idea/opinion/prediction/comment you don't need to immediately attack. Show a little humility.

 

[poltiregist]

I will say " Sourdough " an I have similar survival strategies . However I do recognize not many folks take prepping serious enough to uproot their family and restart in an isolated area where there is for one thing plenty of a natural water supply , wild resources etc. Not for sure but think I saw where Sourdough did that and so did I . Burnt my left behind home to the ground behind me literally . Demographics is another very important consideration for someone relocating a family to a survival adobe . -- With that being said though recognize even someone drawing a breath of air , is a prepper as they are preparing to live a few more seconds . That though does not meet most folks standard as to what a prepper is . Perhaps if we have some on this forum that feel underprepared , perhaps the force will be with them and they will have enough time left to remedy their shortfalls . -- I recall something in the bible about the man that built his house on shifting sand . The same thing applies to prepping . I recommend start prepping in a solid prepper survivable location . Location first and foremost and build from there .

 

[Neb]

I will say " Sourdough " an I have similar survival strategies . However I do recognize not many folks take prepping serious enough to uproot their family and restart in an isolated area where there is for one thing plenty of a natural water supply , wild resources etc. Not for sure but think I saw where Sourdough did that and so did I . Burnt my left behind home to the ground behind me literally . Demographics is another very important consideration for someone relocating a family to a survival adobe . -- With that being said though recognize even someone drawing a breath of air , is a prepper as they are preparing to live a few more seconds . That though does not meet most folks standard as to what a prepper is . Perhaps if we have some on this forum that feel underprepared , perhaps the force will be with them and they will have enough time left to remedy their shortfalls . -- I recall something in the bible about the man that built his house on shifting sand . The same thing applies to prepping . I recommend start prepping in a solid prepper survivable location . Location first and foremost and build from there .

...And then you find yourself confronted with suburbia. My quiet hallow added 800 units in a year! I could relocate the family but that would cost me dearly. I don't want to jeopardize The Princess finances after I pass. Prepping for disaster is important but not more so than planning for retirement.

Ben

 

[elkhound]

It is always the case those with redundant water sources respond with their many different reliable options for water.

Sadly, those who know their fate are quiet.

It is hard to "totally" list what makes someone a REAL PREPPER. But water, and a safe location, safe from humans, is a good start.

When you just spent a month in single digit night temps often and highs of 20;s roughly(some days worse some better)...a teton -35f sleeping bag gives great comfort...if you find yourself in old age and looking out a window at that mess...you look back on bed and grin like when you were a much younger man and your lady said come back to bed dear !!

 

[Magus]

I have created a very simple test, that can be used to help preppers clearly understand how serious they are at prepping. TRANSLATED: ARE YOU REAL PREPPER......??? (Warning roughly 90% will fail. And that will be their "cause of death".

You are a serious/certified genuine REAL prepper, if you have several sources of pure & fresh & 100% reliable sources of water (that means the source NEVER stops producing water) even if grid is down several years.

I think that I piss members off when I state that in my opinion, "Preppers have only an ever so slight & temporary survival advantage over non preppers". This is the bases of my conclusion, no water you die soon.

Note: This is only #1...... #2 is pointless to post if likely 85% to 90% don't have ready & and safe access to pure water/not needing purification.

This is why I keep saying most preppers only have a 5% to 10% advantage over non-preppers, before death.


So, called REAL PREPPERS, are different because they chose to relocate their loved ones. where there is many sources of pure/fresh water.

Assume that if you do not have exclusive access to the water, you think you will haul to your home, that gangs will control that water source, and demand painful compensation.

*Cracks knuckles*Let's do this.
I have a well on property and know where several others are.

Aw hell, I thought this was a test bro! Even the nubs know without access to water, you're dead.
Let's see if I can grab some slack, we'll call Sourdough's question one.

Where do you live? If you said the city, do not pass go.

What are your farming skills from window-box to rancher? If you can't at least grow potatoes, you fail.

Can you prepare a meal from wild fare? if not... NOPE!

Do you at least own a basic 4-gun kit and have at least 1000 rounds for each? If you live in a commie state, you get a pass, go buy a crossbow!

How much food do you have stored? If it's less than six months, FAIL.

What are your medical skills, if you can't at least suture a wound and give CPR. NOPE!

Do you store your medications at least six months ahead? No? probably fail.

Do you have alternate means of heating your home? no? failed.

Do you show off your preps to ANYONE, even those outside your home? Dead meat.

Could you kill, dress, and eat things not normally considered food? I hope you like yard salad.

Speaking of which, are you aware of all the edible plants in your area and how to prepare them?
No? nice knowing you.

Can you make a water filter?

And finally, do you have survival skillsets and maintain them? Back to school!
There now, that ought to piss off the slackers and bear in mind, that was a basic, off-the-cuff test!

 

[EastenerWesterner]

I have created a very simple test, that can be used to help preppers clearly understand how serious they are at prepping. TRANSLATED: ARE YOU REAL PREPPER......??? (Warning roughly 90% will fail. And that will be their "cause of death".

You are a serious/certified genuine REAL prepper, if you have several sources of pure & fresh & 100% reliable sources of water (that means the source NEVER stops producing water) even if grid is down several years.

I think that I piss members off when I state that in my opinion, "Preppers have only an ever so slight & temporary survival advantage over non preppers". This is the bases of my conclusion, no water you die soon.

Note: This is only #1...... #2 is pointless to post if likely 85% to 90% don't have ready & and safe access to pure water/not needing purification.

This is why I keep saying most preppers only have a 5% to 10% advantage over non-preppers, before death.


So, called REAL PREPPERS, are different because they chose to relocate their loved ones. where there is many sources of pure/fresh water.

Assume that if you do not have exclusive access to the water, you think you will haul to your home, that gangs will control that water source, and demand painful compensation.

This is very true.

I currently have an electrical problem to my deep well at my primary abode. Not that big a deal, Every 2 weeks hook the Gen up to the pump panel and fill the 5k tank.

Am currently at what I call my next stage property, trying to develop it. I think the well here is like 32 ft, not hundreds of foot. Simple enough to do a hand pump back up (even though I would prefer a tank back up)

But there in is the test of a prepper- my power is out to my well pump, how do I work around it? Power back up, manual back up? Do I have the parts around to temporarily fix?

Apply what you said about water to power, to heat, to evacuations. You have to be adept at figuring out.

I have said “I cannot plan for everything” but I can hopefully figure out how to adapt before it gets me.

 

[elkhound]

about that water thing....for me i dont want to live anywhere it rains less than 45 inches per year and can get some snow pack at times...my area can get as much as 80 inches a year.....results of that type rain...see map below...more people yes...but way more water per person . this map does not highlight all the great lakes which holds all that beautiful fresh water.

p.s. i mentioned this before...when mississippi river used as natural dividing line....east population is 170million...west population 140 million.

 

[elkhound]

 

[joel]

OK. Excuse me. I must be mistaken.
I am not a prepper at all because Steve In 29 says that I cannot live without the current system and women can fall back on prostitution so they don't starve.
Wow.
Better, Steve?

I think a lot of us are homesteader & we do many prepper things a city person only read about. Garden for 80%-90% of out nonmeat food. Eggs, milk & meat on our land. Have herbs for cooking & meds, keep a supply of can goods for hard times.
Knowledge is as important as doing, no one can be ready for the unknown, but every little bit helps.

 

[joel]

steve_in_29, talk is cheap, hiding behind a computer.
How about putting your money where your mouth is. Tell us what makes you a prepper.

 

[Magus]

And out comes the yardsticks! LMAO!

 

[zoomzoom]

steve_in_29, talk is cheap, hiding behind a computer.
How about putting your money where your mouth is. Tell us what makes you a prepper.

It doesn't look like steve_in_29 has logged into the forum since this thread started last Tuesday.