YOUR PERSONAL (firsthand) PLB (Personal Locator Beacon) Experience.

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Sourdough

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Sorry not interested in what you have read or seen on You Tube. Only interested in your PERSONAL PLB experience. Not interested in your Cell Phone GPS tracking feature.

PLB's are very popular with Alaskans spending time in bush. I have in the past owned two, currently own none. Looking to acquire a new PLB.
 
I have some serious mixed feelings about it. Probably because I avoid tracking devises (and yes smart phone capabilities) like the plague. But.... to have such a devise that with a push of a button would send an SOS distress signal that would bring help to a person's specific location - I can see and understand the interest.
 
I am looking into them too.

A month ago I was deer hunting and while tracking a deer I dislocated my hip and tore a muscle. My phone didn't have service, but I had an internet tablet that had some service but I could not get anyone.

Fortunately I had a trekking pole with me and was able to slowly hobble back to the truck.

That scared me pretty good, so I started looking into emergency locators.
 
I have owned (2) TWO PLB's in the last 12 years. The problem in Alaska is it cost nearly as much to replace the battery as to order a new PLB from the lower 48.

The battery lasts 4 to 5 years. They have some new features on the newest models, and I will get one.

I'll attempt to answer some questions.

@elkhound if you got snake bit, a PLB will save your life. or chewed on by a bear, etc..

They are not a toy; you NEVER EVER activate till urgently need lifesaving. It is serious and illegal to play with PLB. The good thing is when you register it you list all your medical issues, they know what medications to bring.
 
I avoid tracking devises (and yes smart phone capabilities) like the plague.
There is NO tracking.....ever.

Only when you urgently need help and you activate the PLB, the PLB tells your exact location. You never move, because that is where they will look for you.

There is NO tracking.
 
I have owned (2) TWO PLB's in the last 12 years. The problem in Alaska is it cost nearly as much to replace the battery as to order a new PLB from the lower 48.

The battery lasts 4 to 5 years. They have some new features on the newest models, and I will get one.

I'll attempt to answer some questions.

@elkhound if you got snake bit, a PLB will save your life. or chewed on by a bear, etc..

They are not a toy; you NEVER EVER activate till urgently need lifesaving. It is serious and illegal to play with PLB. The good thing is when you register it you list all your medical issues, they know what medications to bring.

Yes especially about snake bite....this is a worry.....also looking back snake bite is what about got our grizzgal once long ago.

dont forget to list make and model please.
 
Sorry not interested in what you have read or seen on You Tube. Only interested in your PERSONAL PLB experience. Not interested in your Cell Phone GPS tracking feature.

PLB's are very popular with Alaskans spending time in bush. I have in the past owned two, currently own none. Looking to acquire a new PLB.
Don't phones have PLBs built into them, no matter if they have bars lit? Is my useless "life alert" a PLB? it was shipped to me broken.
 
I have had a few.

As SD mentioned, they are registered to you and replacing the battery is probably not worth it......and getting a fresh new unit is probably worth something rather than doing a battery change in a +5 year old unit.

When you decommission one, smash it with a hammer so it cant be activated by someone.......and you get blamed.

They are only worthwhile if you actually carry them all the time......procedures only work if you use them all the time.

So buy one that is small enough and work out a way to carry it that you can reach regardless of what injury/illness you suffer.

Here is a good comparison discussion:

https://www.yachtingworld.com/yacht...-and-ais-units-top-options-for-boating-137237


My current PLB is an:

Ocean Signal RescueMe personal locator beacon​



The other alternative to PLBs is a Garmin InReach.

I have one of those too.....a Garmin Montana 750i.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/690986

The InReach allows you to hit the SOS button and it will send an SOS text and email to your nominated contacts. The message will have an accurate GPS pindrop (as a link to Garmins maps showing where the SOS came from).

The Montana can also just send out regular texts/emails to anyone you want (but that needs a subscription of about $20 per month)

For me the Garmin is more useful than a PLB because I can use it for routine navigation/maps and comms (beyond mobile phone networks) and to do an E&E from some threat.

The InReach mini is about the same size as my PLB.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/592606

If you go the InReach route, get some sort of high quality light weight solar panel to charge it.

https://www.powerfilmsolar.com/products/foldable-solar-panels/20-watt-foldable-solar-panel
 
The other issue to consider when setting up a PLB capability is this:

The PLB solves the problem of someone knowing you are in distress.....and having a GPS location for you.

But experience in Search and Rescue operations shows that in many cases, once those rescuers get within a few hundred yards of you, they may have trouble finding exactly where you are and getting to you.

Some of the additional gear that may ensure, once they reach your area, that they get to you immediately includes:
  1. Strobes - for night time - like a mil-surplus MS2000
  2. Cyalume - for night
  3. Smoke - for day - flares and mil surplus M18 smoke grenades
  4. Day night flares - for both day and night
  5. Pen launcher flares
  6. A whistle - for both day and night
  7. Orange marker panel - to help being spotted from the air
  8. Signal mirror
https://wescomdefence.com/product/search-rescue/signal-distress-day-night/

https://www.ebay.com/shop/ms2000-strobe?_nkw=ms2000+strobe
 
OK fine. are you saying Personal Locator Beacon? But if the phone and life alert know right where I am within six square feet, how are they not? educate me.

You mean this thing right?
https://www.westmarine.com/acr-elec...VHgA9FD7fdm2ClBJCyFD7tD5hVspveMk_ZjIMoweGnGlY
A personal locator beacon is a one-use device that is always off until you need it. When you press the button, it sends a signal by satellite from most places in the world to the global rescue network, which then determines what the nearest search and rescue service is for your location and gives them your location and personal information.
When you register it, you put in your medical information and any special needs, prescriptions, etc. which is sent to the search and rescue service.
With a personal locator beacon, YOU DO NOT NEED A CONTRACT WITH A SERVICE PROVIDER.
 
Before I left my search n rescue team, there was a company developing a device that was to be applied to be used with older folks who tended to wander off. It was more like a tracking device since it was unlikely they would activate it due to mental decline.
This was over 10 years ago so I'm sure by now they have come up with something new and improved.
When I was in SAR, it was rare where I was at that folks would utilize personal locators. Perhaps that is why we had such a active team ..lol. Unfortunately, folks tended to underestimate the hazards of that area and weather conditions.
Steep n deep terrain, soaking wet rains , cool nights spent out in the forest unprepared left many mushroom pickers , hunters and hikers dead.
I think they could be a good idea for folks if they would use them properly. Most folks it seems don't think that far ahead in my experience tho. Maybe this is different in different outdoor locations like Alaska tho.
 
A personal locator beacon is a one-use device that is always off until you need it. When you press the button, it sends a signal by satellite from most places in the world to the global rescue network, which then determines what the nearest search and rescue service is for your location and gives them your location and personal information.
When you register it, you put in your medical information and any special needs, prescriptions, etc. which is sent to the search and rescue service.
With a personal locator beacon, YOU DO NOT NEED A CONTRACT WITH A SERVICE PROVIDER.
wooooo! now that does sound handy!!
 
Before I left my search n rescue team, there was a company developing a device that was to be applied to be used with older folks who tended to wander off. It was more like a tracking device since it was unlikely they would activate it due to mental decline.
This was over 10 years ago so I'm sure by now they have come up with something new and improved.
When I was in SAR, it was rare where I was at that folks would utilize personal locators. Perhaps that is why we had such a active team ..lol. Unfortunately, folks tended to underestimate the hazards of that area and weather conditions.
Steep n deep terrain, soaking wet rains , cool nights spent out in the forest unprepared left many mushroom pickers , hunters and hikers dead.
I think they could be a good idea for folks if they would use them properly. Most folks it seems don't think that far ahead in my experience tho. Maybe this is different in different outdoor locations like Alaska tho.
way back in the day...80's...my hunting dog telemetry company had a division for such a device for seniors and was an on going thing...they were wildlife materials inc.

when i was very young i worked my rear off to have the funds back then to buy a complete system myself. it was so rare back then only person i knew had one was a multi millionaire coal miner. i seen his and said i gotta have that if i am going to hunt dogs seriously. he and i were the first in my region to have such things..i bought mine in 85 and it was a mint then. i was reluctant to tell the usfs when i started working in 90 when doing stuff with wildlife dept..i was standing there and they talking all the time and me knowing how to use the box without ever having worked for an agency. i finally said i know how it operates...they said how....cause i own one myself...there was shock on our biologist face....lol

later they seen i truly had one when my dad drove cross country and delivered my tracking box and collars and 4 hunting dogs and started treeing bear on my days off.the old timber cutter that had started working for usfs in his old age said i knew you were capable of catching bear when i stopped by to show a chocolate phase black bear to him i caught.he treated my like a grandson back then telling me secret hunting and fishing spots to go and find and enjoy as he had his entire life.
 
way back in the day...80's...my hunting dog telemetry company had a division for such a device for seniors and was an on going thing...they were wildlife materials inc.

when i was very young i worked my rear off to have the funds back then to buy a complete system myself. it was so rare back then only person i knew had one was a multi millionaire coal miner. i seen his and said i gotta have that if i am going to hunt dogs seriously. he and i were the first in my region to have such things..i bought mine in 85 and it was a mint then. i was reluctant to tell the usfs when i started working in 90 when doing stuff with wildlife dept..i was standing there and they talking all the time and me knowing how to use the box without ever having worked for an agency. i finally said i know how it operates...they said how....cause i own one myself...there was shock on our biologist face....lol

later they seen i truly had one when my dad drove cross country and delivered my tracking box and collars and 4 hunting dogs and started treeing bear on my days off.the old timber cutter that had started working for usfs in his old age said i knew you were capable of catching bear when i stopped by to show a chocolate phase black bear to him i caught.he treated my like a grandson back then telling me secret hunting and fishing spots to go and find and enjoy as he had his entire life.
Nice! Yes I guess it is the same concept. I have a friend who hunted whatever with his curs and those trackers saved the dogs butt's a few times when they get on a trail..they just don't stop.
It seems often around here folks post on the local social media pages that if they find their hound to call them but don't take the collar off.
Sometimes the hounds don't make it out. Around here it seems plott hounds are popular too..I guess the dogs sometimes get so far off , the owners can't catch up. So they wait untill they come out n hope someone picks them up.
 
Nice! Yes I guess it is the same concept. I have a friend who hunted whatever with his curs and those trackers saved the dogs butt's a few times when they get on a trail..they just don't stop.
It seems often around here folks post on the local social media pages that if they find their hound to call them but don't take the collar off.
Sometimes the hounds don't make it out. Around here it seems plott hounds are popular too..I guess the dogs sometimes get so far off , the owners can't catch up. So they wait untill they come out n hope someone picks them up.
wildlife materials inc. was started by a wildlife biologist. long ago idaho was going to ban tracking systems on dogs and they(bioligist and game dept stuff) went hunting with lion and bear hunters...they were shocked at territory they covered...so guess what...idaho passed a law you had to use tracking collars to recover dogs...lol...i dont know if its still that way...they wanted dogs recovered as soon as possible. i knew guys stopped hunting in your state because wolves started catching and killing all their hounds.

one of the best hunters in your area hunted a elkhound....hmmmm
 
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I'm not sure what the rules are, but I do know there are hunters locally and from down below that come up with their hounds.
I have noticed many hunters don't hike with their dogs, alot just run up n down the forest service roads and try to pick them up at some point.
Seems to me kinda irresponsible especially if their dogs get in trouble. One time I was picking mushrooms and heard a gang of hounds chasing something towards where I was. The hunters were in their truck down below..I saw them pass round the corner as I was higher up. That kinda pissed me off..
I called my pups too me and hung out by the skid road that wasn't far. I was a tad concerned of what they were chasing or if the pack would get aggressive. As it ended up the chase went just over the next hill from me.
Last year I was hiking a trail in a different area and some folks started running their hounds at the trail head just as I was comming down it. They came up it a bit then went off trail chasing a bobcat they said. They thought anyways. Folks hope in their truck..I thought it was good no horses were on the trail that I saw. That could end badly for the rider potentially.
I guess I need to be more aware of when the hunters can run dogs so I can avoid those areas while they are doing their thing since we all have the right to utilize the forest. There are plenty of alternatives but the technology that's available to older folks who wander, serious outdoorsy folks who go in the bush and the hunting pups is pretty cool!
 
Your silly demands take all the fun out of most of your threads.
EASY solution. Start a same subject thread and leave out my demands. I am focused. I am not interested in "general" broad jabbering discussions.

What I don't understand is why members who dislike my focused threads, are too lazy to start a similar thread.
 
I had an ELB (emergency locator beacon, the marine version of a PLB) when I crossed the Atlantic. After that the FCC was doing a study in Alaska on PLB’s. Alaska is chosen for these studies because of the low population level. The head of the Troopers in my town and I were chosen to be on the committee due to our jobs. In a meeting I commented that I would just use my ELB if the need should arise. The Trooper said he would arrest me if I did as that was only licensed for marine use. I told him that he would have to save my life before he could arrest me. I pointed out that if I broke into his house it was a crime, but if I broke into a remote cabin in order to save my life it was not a crime.
 
I had an ELB (emergency locator beacon, the marine version of a PLB) when I crossed the Atlantic. After that the FCC was doing a study in Alaska on PLB’s. Alaska is chosen for these studies because of the low population level. The head of the Troopers in my town and I were chosen to be on the committee due to our jobs. In a meeting I commented that I would just use my ELB if the need should arise. The Trooper said he would arrest me if I did as that was only licensed for marine use. I told him that he would have to save my life before he could arrest me. I pointed out that if I broke into his house it was a crime, but if I broke into a remote cabin in order to save my life it was not a crime.
Yep - the other name for those marine ELBs is EPIRB (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon).

In the early days of those, there was some sort of distinction about marine vs land use......but over time practicality crept into the rules and providing you were in a life threatening emergency, no one really cares which you use now.

There are still some differences between EPIRBs and PLBs:

EPIRB Vs PLB: What's the Difference between a PLB and EPIRB?
PLBEPIRB
Transmission DurationA minimum of 24 hours (as long as battery is in date)At least 48 hours
FloatationNot all float and may require additional floatation supportAll devices float


Those differences are how PLBs can be so much smaller than EPIRBs - smaller battery and less bulky (because they do not have to be positively buoyant). EPIRBs are also designed to be self righting ie keep their antenna facing skywards even in rough seas.

The problem with both is this:

What if you have an emergency.....but your life is not threatened yet.

For example, I know of a case where a family (two parents and two young kids) were driving their offroad truck based camper across the center of Australia.....and they encountered a desert storm that dropped 4 inches of rain in 24 hours. That was enough to turn where they were into a quagmire. They got bogged down to the axles. They spent a few days trying to dig themselves out.....with no success. They still had a few weeks of water and food.

They decided to deploy their PLB and about three hours later they were overflown by an SAR fixed wing aircraft that dropped them a Sat phone.

They get the Sat phone and it rings.....they answer "Hello?"

They explain their situation and the SAR center tells them, we will get you out of there as soon as we can. The story is then released by the SAR people to the media (including video captured during the flyover). They communicate with the SAR people for a couple of days and are informed that they will be evacuated by chopper the next day....they reply "What about the truck.........if you send a recovery truck out here, it could pull us out". The answer was "We don't save trucks, we save people."

So they get evacuated by chopper (with long range tanks) and then the husband has to arrange to go back in with a recovery truck to pull their camper out.

So one could ask "Was that the best response?"

They were not in immediate danger........but when you deploy an EPIRB or PLB, you lose control over what will happen.

If they had an InReach or Sat phone of their own, they could have contacted family and a recovery service to arrange to get pulled out........so the response would have been quite different.......and they would not have become a national media story without their consent.

Not every emergency is the same.
 

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