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[Psalm7]

The gate way can be proven true by watching everyday life . Watch how drug users progress . What did they start with . What came next , how has their life been . Pot and alcohol are gate way drugs .

 

[Brent S]

The gate way can be proven true by watching everyday life . Watch how drug users progress . What did they start with . What came next , how has their life been . Pot and alcohol are gate way drugs .

Is alcohol any less of a gateway drug?

 

[TexasFreedom]

Brent, hang on. The excuse that pot isn't any worse than alcohol is a really bad argument. That's like saying murderers shouldn't be prosecuted because half of them are never convicted. Try again with another approach.

I said it before, do in your house what you want. But when it comes out into the streets, whether dealing, stealing, driving, etc. At that point get out the butcher's knife because some part of the body is getting cut off. It might be a part of a finger, it might be the neck. Yup, brutal. But it will empty the prisons and you'd be surprised how crime would drop when every block in inner cities have a few guys missing a hand. And when guys in high school start showing up with a finger or two missing then the message will spread quickly. I don't really care about age with this, a crime is a crime (look at the 8 year old boy story from just a few weeks ago).

 

[user 6493]

I think the evidence shows that the gateway drug thing isn’t real. As far as someone using pot while driving or working, the same applies for alcohol. There’s a time and place for all things. When you’re in your own place at home I don’t think anyone has the right to tell you what to do. I personally don’t smoke pot, but did smoke plenty as a teenager. I can say from personal experience, it’s is less dangerous than alcohol by far. The most dangerous thing about it is the chance of you getting fat from eating too many snacks! Seriously, liquor is far more disabling than pot. I just don’t understand the class 1 designation.

Brent I guess in this case we will just have to disagree you think MJ is ok I don't

 

[user 6493]

one last comment on this,,,,,,if you have children the use of alcohol or MJ where the kids can see it is in my opinion a poor practice,they see mom or dad using either and the kids will one day be doing the same,I have seen that to many times

I don't approve of either I like being in full control and the use of either will alter your thinking while under the influence

 

[jontte]

a plant or two for you,as long as you do it home,acceptable,don't drive,don't use it infront of your kids,same with alchohol.
you don't leave your home if under the influence.

those prescription drugs are,in my opinion far more dangerous than MJ,or the misuse of those.

 

[Psalm7]

Is alcohol any less of a gateway drug?

Don't know why you asked this question . Thats what I just said . They both are .

 

[Brent S]

one last comment on this,,,,,,if you have children the use of alcohol or MJ where the kids can see it is in my opinion a poor practice,they see mom or dad using either and the kids will one day be doing the same,I have seen that to many times

I don't approve of either I like being in full control and the use of either will alter your thinking while under the influence

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s wiser to not use either of these. I just don’t think they are any different from each other and find it ridiculous that one is acceptable and the other is not. I also find it downright nuts that opioids are allowed for pain treatment and a natural weed isn’t. I enjoy a glass of wine every night at the end of the day before I go to sleep and don’t see any problem with it, but won’t touch the stuff when out and about. I really do agree with you about the message parents give to their kids by being aware of what they do in front of them. Kids are sponges, absorbing everything they see from an early start.

 

[Brent S]

Don't know why you asked this question . Thats what I just said . They both are .

Just reread and saw you mentioned both alcohol and pot. I still think that isn’t the underlying factor for people to abuse drugs later in life. I’ve known many who drink and/or smoke moderately and never went to hard drugs. I believe it’s in a persons personality wether they push things to extremes or not.
The whole discussion here about wether or not pot is good or bad is silly to me. Who here is for the government telling you that you can’t have a gun in your home to protect yourself. To me this is more about your rights as a private citizen to do something in the privacy of your own home. I’m just not for our government dictating morals to people, and espechially ones that aren’t founded on science. In particular referring to the fact that people don’t die from pot, but do from alcohol, and prescription narcotics.
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[Psalm7]

Societies use the facts at hand to decide what is or is not allowed . It may not always be right but there is reason there . Im sure most in Government would like the revenue from leagal pot but to legalize something is to condone it .
As far as deaths related from pot if we left out any dui's or accidents related with being under the influence or someone being killed from crime related to someone under the influence or to get money to buy pot I mentioned several health conditions related to pot in above post as well inflamation to the heart also . Not to mention users that have committed suicide because they have squandered everything for that weed . As far as it just being a plant so is the opium poppy .

 

[Proud Prepper]

Irresponsable behavior should be detered and have conscequences. If you drink and or smoke pot or use any type of drugs it falls under the same rule. If your using any of them to manage pain or mood in a benefitcial controlled manner at appropriate times thats legal, then your being responsable, if not then your irresponsable and should have punishment. (Not while at work, unless under Dr. Orders, not while driving or operation of dagerous equipment, or in front of children, etc....the list goes on)

 

[Gauntlet]

As an experienced "pot-head" I can definitely say that weed is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Now I'm not saying that pot is completely harmless or anything.. but other than making you a little hungry and lazy there really isn't too much you have to worry about. Of course, I wouldn't recommend that anyone go and drive or do anything too dangerous the first time you smoke, but then again you're probably not going to want too anyways.

Unlike alcohol, weed isn't going to make you lose your judgment and cause you to do something stupid. Instead, you're far more likely to sit back, eat and watch tv.

Now when you've been smoking for as long as I have you can literally smoke and do anything that you would normally do. And while there's a good chance that you may get a little tired in about an hour, that - and the cost - are about the only real negative consequences that I can think of. All of the other negative consequences associated with smoking weed only exist due to it being illegal, and since I refuse to live my life by the rules of the government, I could care less.

Let me be clear though, smoking weed isn't meant for everyone and I honestly wouldn't recommend it to anyone that isn't curious about smoking in the first place. But to tell people what they can and can't do just because you don't like it.. now that's just plain wrong.

And as a prepper, freedom is what I'm all about.

 

[TexasFreedom]

Gauntlet,

You just acknowledged the problems we are talking about.
1) People can't judge how pot is affecting them
2) Pot is expensive and makes them lazy. So net result is they try to rob me, my house, or my business to support their habit.

I said it before, do inside your house what you want. I agree, that is 'freedom'. But when it goes out into the street, we have a problem. And prepping is about far more than just freedom.

 

[Psalm7]

Drug use is not freedom .

 

[user 6493]

As an experienced "pot-head" I can definitely say that weed is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Now I'm not saying that pot is completely harmless or anything.. but other than making you a little hungry and lazy there really isn't too much you have to worry about. Of course, I wouldn't recommend that anyone go and drive or do anything too dangerous the first time you smoke, but then again you're probably not going to want too anyways.

Unlike alcohol, weed isn't going to make you lose your judgment and cause you to do something stupid. Instead, you're far more likely to sit back, eat and watch tv.

Now when you've been smoking for as long as I have you can literally smoke and do anything that you would normally do. And while there's a good chance that you may get a little tired in about an hour, that - and the cost - are about the only real negative consequences that I can think of. All of the other negative consequences associated with smoking weed only exist due to it being illegal, and since I refuse to live my life by the rules of the government, I could care less.

Let me be clear though, smoking weed isn't meant for everyone and I honestly wouldn't recommend it to anyone that isn't curious about smoking in the first place. But to tell people what they can and can't do just because you don't like it.. now that's just plain wrong.

And as a prepper, freedom is what I'm all about.

it doesn't effect your judgment I call bsflagon that,,,I have seen how silly people can get when smoking pot,you are not the same person when high no matter what drug you are on including ALCHOL

 

[TexasFreedom]

Drug use is not freedom .

I stand corrected.

Maybe I can rephrase it:
Making stupid choices is part of having individual freedoms.

There's another phrase I really like: "Making Stupid Choices should hurt immediately."

 

[Mountain trapper]

I have no use for dopers or potheads. Most companies now days have zero tolerance for drug users. All the companies I worked for had random drug testing with immediate termination for a positive test. I support this program completely. I also think anyone who is on any kind of government welfare program should be drug tested before they get a dime of tax payers money. Anyone who fails the drug test should be cut off immediately.

 

[Mountain trapper]

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[Mountain trapper]

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[Brent S]

it doesn't effect your judgment I call bsflagon that,,,I have seen how silly people can get when smoking pot,you are not the same person when high no matter what drug you are on including ALCHOL

I agree that it tends to relax people and loosen inhibitions, which is exactly why most people drink or smoke pot. Again though, there is a time and place for everything.

 

[Brent S]

I have no use for dopers or potheads. Most companies now days have zero tolerance for drug users. All the companies I worked for had random drug testing with immediate termination for a positive test. I support this program completely. I also think anyone who is on any kind of government welfare program should be drug tested before they get a dime of tax payers money. Anyone who fails the drug test should be cut off immediately.

I agree with the welfare drug testing. If you’re so poor that you need help with food then how can you afford buying pot?
But I still don’t see any difference between a person that has a drink at home vs one who smokes a joint at home.

 

[Gazrok]

But I still don’t see any difference between a person that has a drink at home vs one who smokes a joint at home.

the only difference is that the LEGAL one of those two, is FAR more dangerous. LOL.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I agree with the welfare drug testing. If you’re so poor that you need help with food then how can you afford buying pot?
But I still don’t see any difference between a person that has a drink at home vs one who smokes a joint at home.

Well the difference is that one is legal and one is not in most states.

If you (everyone) only follow the laws you agree with, imagine the world. Whether we like the laws or not, we should each strive to obey the current laws to the best of our ability. There will be exceptions from time to time for each of us when we cannot comply, but those need to be rare exceptions. If you can't live with the laws where you live, move to where you aren't breaking the laws. Sure, you can try to have laws changed. But obey them until they do.

 

[Gazrok]

Sorry, but not obeying keeps my wife from being nauseous and allows her to enjoy food, so going that route, no matter what the state says, especially when other states have recognized the benefit.

Thing is, with the Fed hanging over everyone's heads (and numerous cases of Fed agents overriding state laws on this), it will only be "legal" anywhere, when it's nationwide, and legal at the Federal level. It's just ridiculous how long this is taking. Twenty years from now, we'll look back at this like folks look back at Prohibition....

 

[Maverick]

I don't ask anyone of habits they may do in there own homes, Lord knows I have enough of my own bad habits to pass judgment on anyone but by God don't come here under the influence of anything and don't stink. I judge by ones worth, if he comes to work for me I want a good days work with no complaints or griping from him or her and if they get here earlier enough they get breakfast, I'm more than fare and I expect the same courtesy.

If I have a good worker and someone from town informs me the person I have working for me smokes a lot of pot at home, my response is simply he/she is on time everyday, puts in the hours, does the job and never takes draws, I have no complaints and that's the bottom line.