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Crabapple said:
When other car companies get off their fat assetes, they will have the same problems, Tesla has the largest production of it kind in USA, Europe & Asia.
No, I do not own one, but I listened to the big three promise to have a EV for over fifty year, they started that lie before most of us were born.
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We have had EV's for over 100 years
 
Proud Prepper said:
We have had EV's for over 100 years
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NO, not full production models, we had steam cars & kerosene engines, too.
But nothing like the Tesla, the tech is far & above any vehicle ever known to man, the thousand tons press, to make less parts & better built EV's.
That same intervention is being used in rocket building at spaceX. We are in the 21 century, if we do not nuke ourselves, we as a people may see the 22 century.
 
Proud Prepper said:
We have had EV's for over 100 years
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Yes and Rockefeller killed them back then With the claim of fossil fuels.
Its It gave him more control. one of the old technologies that has been revisited that has made sense. Steam could make sense with electric boilers.
it started with roller coasters and their accelleration.
I know that I am one of the few proponents of EV on here. But I do point out the good and bad evenly.
 
Crabapple said:
NO, not full production models, we had steam cars & kerosene engines, too.
But nothing like the Tesla, the tech is far & above any vehicle ever known to man, the thousand tons press, to make less parts & better built EV's.
That same intervention is being used in rocket building at spaceX. We are in the 21 century, if we do not nuke ourselves, we as a people may see the 22 century.
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Yes, Among the first were the Riker Electric Motor Company, formed in 1889, and the Electric Carriage & Wagon Company, which introduced a series of electric taxis in New York City in 1896.
 
Proud Prepper said:
Yes, Among the first were the Riker Electric Motor Company, formed in 1889, and the Electric Carriage & Wagon Company, which introduced a series of electric taxis in New York City in 1896.
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I stand corrected, but not nation wide, across the North & South America, Europe & Asia, like horses before automobiles.
 
I dont understand this argument. Whoever wants an EV, go buy one. If they are so great, why is the government trying to force them on people? EV's will never come close to replacing gas and diesel vehicles for most people. Of course if your goal is to force people in to crowded cities then EV's are the perfect way do it.
 
Arcticdude said:
I dont understand this argument. Whoever wants an EV, go buy one. If they are so great, why is the government trying to force them on people? EV's will never come close to replacing gas and diesel vehicles for most people. Of course if your goal is to force people in to crowded cities then EV's are the perfect way do it.
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Argument???? It is healthy debate to make everyone think about what they believe, instead of just drinking the juice.
We are helping each other learn & learning ourselves.
 
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A couple of weeks ago I was talking to a professional tow truck driver. The topic shifted to EV's and I learned some very interesting facts. 1) An EV cannot be towed by a regular tow truck, it must be put on a flatbed. 2) In major collisions, they tend to catch fire and will burn to the ground, as the fire department cannot put them out. 3) If towed to a storage yard, they have to be kept in a separate area away from other vehicles. 4) The EV has to be monitored / routinely inspected during it storage. For standard vehicles, the storage fee is about $50 per day at his yard. For EV's it is $250 per day due to the monitoring and insurance required. Just some more reasons to avoid these Electric Vehicles.
 
Even my mechanic son, who is a big advocate for electric vehicles and has a Tesla that he loves, says EV are still useless for people like us, who use "Pickup" trucks for what they were actually designed to do...haul, tow...work. He admitted the EV trucks out now are more for vanity owners and people who could make do with a plain old electric car.
 
In the video about the electric truck, towing wasn't the problem, it towed heavy loads with ease.

Trains use electric engines. Not because it's green (the electricity is generated by diesel engines) but because of the zero speed torque of the electric engines which can't be matched by any other type of engine. And you need an enormous amount of torque to get a freight train moving.

The problem is not electrical vehicles per se, the problem is trying to run them on batteries. Battery technology just isn't there, and may never be.
I've advocated for fuel cell powered electric vehicles since the late 1980s, eventually getting to all hydrogen fueled fuel cells (pure water emissions), but since the hydrogen infrastructure is not ready for it, they can be run on any hydrocarbon, like gasoline, alcohol, diesel, etc. until such a time as hydrogen can be safely and economically used universally as a fuel. You can also use a hydrocarbon to generate hydrogen on board for a hydrogen fuel cell, but you'll have CO2 emissions (which I personally have no problem with, but...)
The democrats will never go for a hydrogen economy simply because hydrogen is too hard to control. My son generated hydrogen for a middle school science fair project.
 
DrHenley said:
In the video about the electric truck, towing wasn't the problem, it towed heavy loads with ease.
As I've said for several decades now...
The problem is not electrical vehicles per se, the problem is trying to run them on batteries. Battery technology just isn't there, and may never be.
Trains use electric engines. Not because it's green (the electricity is generated by diesel engines) but because of the zero speed torque of the electric engines which can't be matched by any other type of engine. And you need an enormous amount of torque to get a freight train moving.
I've advocated for fuel cell powered electric vehicles since the late 1980s, eventually getting to all hydrogen fueled fuel cells (pure water emissions), but since the hydrogen infrastructure is not ready for it, they can be run on any hydrocarbon, like gasoline, alcohol, diesel, etc. until such a time as hydrogen can be safely and economically used universally as a fuel. You can also use a hydrocarbon to generate hydrogen on board for a hydrogen fuel cell, but you'll have CO2 emissions (which I personally have no problem with, but...)
The democrats will never go for a hydrogen economy simply because hydrogen is too hard to control. My son generated hydrogen for a middle school science fair project.
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Towing was kind of the problem...the second he hooked something (even the empty trailer) up to it (-2x), the batteries started draining at 3x the rate once the fairly light car was loaded. Can you tow with an electric vehicle? Yes. Can you tow something heavy (like 10,000 + lbs) more than a few miles? Nope.

If you can't complete the job at hand, then you can't say you can do the job.

It is over 200 miles to our BOL2. My LQ (living quarters) 4 horse trailer GWVR is 12,000 lbs. How far would that high end EV truck even with the battery upgrade go? My guess is maybe 50 miles at most add hills and I’d be lucky to make it out of town without having to recharge much less to the BOL. Live loads are also harder to tow on uneven dirt roads with a frame that is reinforced and stiff like on EV.

No thanks. Not for us.
 
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The reason towing ran down the batteries so fast is because the capacity of the batteries in Amp Hours is highly dependent on the load. That's just the nature of battery technology.
It's the batteries themselves that are the problem.
Find a source of electricity for which the capacity is not load dependent.
 
rainingcatzanddogs said:
Towing was kind of the problem...the second he hooked something (even the empty trailer) up to it (-2x), the batteries started draining at 3x the rate once the fairly light car was loaded. Can you tow with an electric vehicle? Yes. Can you tow something heavy (like 10,000 + lbs) more than a few miles? Nope.

If you can't complete the job at hand, then it is a problem.
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A friend of mine tried towing his golf cart on a trailor to his beach house, he got half way there and couldnt find a charging station, he had to buy a generator from Lowes to charge his truck to get home!!!
 
DrHenley said:
The reason towing ran down the batteries so fast is because the capacity of the batteries in Amp Hours is highly dependent on the load. That's just the nature of battery technology.
It's the batteries themselves that are the problem.
Find a source of electricity for which the capacity is not load dependent.
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I just find it laughably inaccurate to say the towing capacity is X pounds when it can't go the distance. Heck my big Thoroughbred x QH cross can pull four thousand pounds of logs...one foot an hour and I only paid $400 for him. Not exactly time efficient.
 
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DrHenley said:
In the video about the electric truck, towing wasn't the problem, it towed heavy loads with ease.

Trains use electric engines. Not because it's green (the electricity is generated by diesel engines) but because of the zero speed torque of the electric engines which can't be matched by any other type of engine. And you need an enormous amount of torque to get a freight train moving.

The problem is not electrical vehicles per se, the problem is trying to run them on batteries. Battery technology just isn't there, and may never be.
I've advocated for fuel cell powered electric vehicles since the late 1980s, eventually getting to all hydrogen fueled fuel cells (pure water emissions), but since the hydrogen infrastructure is not ready for it, they can be run on any hydrocarbon, like gasoline, alcohol, diesel, etc. until such a time as hydrogen can be safely and economically used universally as a fuel. You can also use a hydrocarbon to generate hydrogen on board for a hydrogen fuel cell, but you'll have CO2 emissions (which I personally have no problem with, but...)
The democrats will never go for a hydrogen economy simply because hydrogen is too hard to control. My son generated hydrogen for a middle school science fair project.
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AND trains are diesel electric!!!!
 
rainingcatzanddogs said:
Towing was kind of the problem...the second he hooked something (even the empty trailer) up to it (-2x), the batteries started draining at 3x the rate once the fairly light car was loaded. Can you tow with an electric vehicle? Yes. Can you tow something heavy (like 10,000 + lbs) more than a few miles? Nope.

If you can't complete the job at hand, then you can't say you can do the job.

It is over 200 miles to our BOL2. My LQ (living quarters) 4 horse trailer GWVR is 12,000 lbs. How far would that high end EV truck even with the battery upgrade go? My guess is maybe 50 miles at most add hills and I’d be lucky to make it out of town without having to recharge much less to the BOL. Live loads are also harder to tow on uneven dirt roads with a frame that is reinforced and stiff like on EV.

No thanks. Not for us.
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Now factor in using the heater, or AC, defroster, driving on several a foot of snow or ice, 4 wheel drive, tire chains and 6 to 10% grades.
I worked at a mine one time and they used diesel electric haul trucks, similar to what locomotives use, that hauled 150 tons of ore each. Electric vehicles have their place, as long as they're attached to a generator. Other than that they're OK for short city trips, or a novelty.
 
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