"MIGRATE" or "DIE".

[Supervisor42]

So my question still stands, "Where are all these people going to go?" Generally. Being all dressed up and mobile is futile if you don't have any place to go. I think that is the actual problem. These is no place to go for most people.

Jamaica, mon!!!
...And learn how to smoke pot.

 

[Neb]

...

So my question still stands, "Where are all these people going to go?" Generally. Being all dressed up and mobile is futile if you don't have any place to go. I think that is the actual problem. These is no place to go for most people.

For many there will be literally no place to go if they didn't plan ahead.

For me, a large number of horse plowed fields is very important. Pre-built shelter and access to water.

Ben

 

[Tirediron]

the idea that a person can just pick up and go somewhere well into a caustic situation is fairly shakey in the first place. assuming you have somewhere to go., people in "safe areas" are not like ly gong to let anybody who they don't know in.
i see @ Haertig already point this out while i was typing it

 

[Hardcalibres]

.........

Saying something so general as "You should bug out to a safer place" is ... pretty dang obvious.

.......

Good...it is obvious....so have you prepared to do that?

 

[Haertig]

For me, a large number of horse plowed fields is very important. Pre-built shelter and access to water.

That's good reasoning. But if you've got this place, but you're not there now, is it guarded? What if someone else has squatted on the place prior to you getting there? I doubt showing a title to the property is going to help much after the SHTF.

 

[Hardcalibres]

the idea that a person can just pick up and go somewhere well into a caustic situation is fairly shakey in the first place. assuming you have somewhere to go., people in "safe areas" are not like ly gong to let anybody who they don't know in.

For some scenarios (like where the ROL remains robust at the destination), the people who live where you head won't have much choice.


For other scenarios, you may well be better off going somewhere that there are few or even no other people.

If you want to get to those places, then you will need a mode of transport that most people don't have.

Think of the difficulties in getting some where as filters.....that filter out most other people.


......and again, no one who does have mobility well prepared will tell you such a thing is easy.......but to be the correct thing to do, it just needs to be safer than staying where you were.

 

[Haertig]

Good...it is obvious....so have you prepared to do that?

Nope. From your statement, I assume you have. So tell us generally - absolutely no GPS coordinates required! - a description of the kind of location it is, how you acquired it, how you are protecting it prior to your arrival, what your plans are if you find three families already squatting there once you arrive, etc. Something potentially actionable the help others help themselves.

 

[Sourdough]

So I wasn't hoping for a grid location one bit. I asked a valid question, which was evaded. It's fine not to have an answer to every question, but pretending you do is fairly obvious to most readers. I'm thinking that the majority of the people who imply they have some kind of secret location ... probably don't. For the ones that might, why aren't they there already, if it's such a better place?

I'll make you a deal. Pick one or two of your long lists of questions, and I will answer them.

 

[Neb]

That's good reasoning. But if you've got this place, but you're not there now, is it guarded? What if someone else has squatted on the place prior to you getting there? I doubt showing a title to the property is going to help much after the SHTF.

For OPSEC I will limit my reply to...

We already own the place and it is safe in normal times. If the family shows up with a tractor trailer full of preps...

But those are just wild plans. I am still short a tractor trailer and steam boiler.

And I would have to leave my coal seam behind. Better off here if we can pull off safety.

Ben

 

[Tirediron]

For OPSEC I will limit my reply to...

We already own the place and it is safe in normal times. If the family shows up with a tractor trailer full of preps...

But those are just wild plans. I am still short a tractor trailer and steam boiler.

And I would have to leave my coal seam behind. Better off here if we can pull off safety.

Ben

Just one trailer load? but the location that you know is the best first choice unless it isn't.
An old mechanical diesel tandem tractor can come pretty cheap if you really don't care about the appearance. and aged out reefers go pretty cheap around here anyway, sure they may need work , but for a one shot deal they don't have to be great.

 

[Haertig]

I'll make you a deal. Pick one or two of your long lists of questions, and I will answer them.

OK. "Where are all these people going to go?"

 

[Hardcalibres]

For OPSEC I will limit my reply to...

Yep.....on these forums, those that like to derail these threads often resort to "well what is your plan"........knowing we wont answer that.

OPSEC is my top priority.....and my participation on these forums must always be subordinate to that priority.

We already own the place and it is safe in normal times. If the family shows up with a tractor trailer full of preps...

But those are just wild plans. I am still short a tractor trailer and steam boiler.

And I would have to leave my coal seam behind. Better off here if we can pull off safety.

Ben

Agreed......and if I bugged out, I would be leaving a farm that most survivalists would only ever dream of having.

But I have seen enough real crises around the world to know what can happen......and if some of those things happen where you are, your most viable survival option is to go somewhere else.

The better prepared you are to do that, the better your chances of doing that successfully.

 

[Neb]

p.s. - While this is the show that got you into prepping, it is the same show that got me thinking about how impossible it would be to live for long in the post-apocalypse after society has collapsed. Things are so intertwined these days - building off of each other - A depends on B, which depends on C, all of which will be gone in the post-apocalypse - that to go off thinking you can fend for yourself all alone is just a false dream. Sure, you can live for a while. A very short while.

I took it as challenge.

Anything involving semiconductors requires too many resources to duplicate in private work shop. But 1850 vintage technology is doable.

Just my 2 cents

Ben

 

[Haertig]

We already own the place and it is safe in normal times.

That's a good situation to be in, already having some place that it yours. We own several properties but none of them are for bug-out use. None would be suitable for that even if we wanted to change their current purpose. We have though about selling some of these properties and buying in a remote location. But even then, not as a bug-out place. We'd buy it as a place to move to now. There are good things to doing this, and there are problematic things to doing it. So we haven't done it. I don't think "to last longer after the apocalypse" will be a reason to do this if we do, rather, "to improve our life prior to the apocalypse" is a more likely reason.

 

[Tirediron]

Most older equipment is taken out of service when a collection of problems make it no longer commercialy viable . but can be often patched back together to function fairly well. I there is interest , I would share a few "offroad use only" tricks

 

[Sourdough]

OK. "Where are all these people going to go?"

I don't know where 8.3 BILLION humans are going to go. There is accepted criteria for locations. I strongly suggest studying that information. It is extremely basic-fundamental information. But it does not appeal the broad masses.

In 1989 we built a place on the east coast of the north island of New Zealand. I have built four in Alaska, (in the last 55'ish years).

 

[Tirediron]

I took it as challenge.

Anything involving semiconductors requires too many resources to duplicate in private work shop. But 1850 vintage technology is doable.

Just my 2 cents

Ben

why go back that far, the ICE (internal combustion engine) made life so much easier, and the pre electronic ICE can be made to run about for ever, with some knowledge

 

[Tirediron]

I don't know where 8.3 BILLION humans are going to go. There is accepted criteria for locations. I strongly suggest studying that information. It is extremely basic-fundamental information. But it does not appeal the broad masses.

In 1989 we built a place on the east coast of the north island of New Zealand. I have built four in Alaska.

most will die waiting for the government to come and help them.

 

[Hardcalibres]

most will die waiting for the government to come and help them.

.....or because they talk themselves out of trying to go somewhere safer.....or because they didn't prepare to do that.

 

[Tirediron]

.....or because they talk themselves out of trying to go somewhere safer.....or because they didn't prepare to do that.

the comfort zone is a dangerous place

 

[Haertig]

you who consider "serious prepping" to be FLAT-ASS STUPID.

I think you have completely misunderstood my previous posts on prepping. I have stated many times that I do not want to live a long time in the post-apocalypse. So my preps are targeted towards things getting better - recovery after the SHTF - in about 6 to maybe 9 months. You are the one who considers me "not serious" because of my personal choice here. I've read many of your other posts, and you don't appear to consider anyone a serious prepper other than yourself. You call everyone "wannabe prepper", "pretend prepper", etc. That affects how us pretend preppers view your implied offers to teach.

 

[Hardcalibres]

the comfort zone is a dangerous place

....and for many it is tiny.....the walls of their home........but the safety of the home, is an illusion.

 

[Tommyice]

that ain"t really Canada it is just a socialist wasteland and the cause of most of the good part's problems

I know—I don’t even go over there anymore. Used go to Kingston or Ganonaque for dinner occasionally. Remarkably it manages to stay on your side of the river.

 

[Sourdough]

@Haertig

A question for you. Why does it annoy you that other members are interested in prepping. It seems like you just want to attack and belittle any in the "Prepping Forum".

 

[Hardcalibres]

@Haertig

A question for you. Why does it annoy you that other members are interested in prepping. It seems like you just want to attack and belittle any in the "Prepping Forum".

I assess that for many, arguing against preparedness is about "Make the scary man stop".

They worry that we may be right.....and that they may be wrong.....and that it could indeed be deadly.....for them

In reality they are right 99.9999% of the time......but when we are wrong (most of the time), nothing bad happens.

But when we are right, a whole bunch of people die......and that idea makes the people who would be the ones getting prematurely dead, uncomfortable.

Even reading about it makes them uncomfortable.

 

[Sourdough]

I've read many of your other posts, and you don't appear to consider anyone a serious prepper other than yourself. You call everyone "wannabe prepper", "pretend prepper", etc. That affects how us pretend preppers view your implied offers to teach.

I am not the only serious prepper on this forum. But your admission that you are only willing to prepare for six months "AND" if at some point in that six to nine months things get really ugly, then you would prefer to just die. So, I don't consider you serious about prepping. You're preparing for an extended foul weather period.

 

[Tirediron]

there are a lot of good ideas so far in this thread, it would be nice if they don't get dumped along with the name calling,

 

[Hardcalibres]

there are a lot of good ideas so far in this thread, it would be nice if they don't get dumped along with the name calling,

I would hope that when a moderator reviews posts in the prepping subforum, they would look more favorably upon posts that defend preparedness than the posts that argue against preparedness.

.....and telling someone they have normalcy bias can't really be an insult. You are telling them they are normal....average.....

Where is the offense?

 

[Tirediron]

I would hope that when a moderator reviews posts in the prepping subforum, they would look more favorably upon posts that defend preparedness than the posts that argue against preparedness.

.....and telling someone they have normalcy bias can't really be an insult. You are telling them they are normal....average.....

Where is the offense?

I wasn't talking about your comment, you addressed the subject, not the poster, that is discussion

 

[Sourdough]

So my preps are targeted towards things getting better - recovery after the SHTF - in about 6 to maybe 9 months. You are the one who considers me "not serious" because of my personal choice here.

When the clock for the ugly period starts, and NO ONE knows how long that period will last. It is probable that as humans run out of water and/or food and/or safe environment, they will behave in their true animal nature.

I consider those who go "desperate to survive" will become a probable risk to me. I for my own security would prefer people either prepare for 90 days or less. Or that they get serious. So, I consider those who prepare for six to nine months before going savage or self-aborting, to be extending the time I was needing to deal with that reality.