the monarchy here dont have that sort of power.
Most valuable job post collapse?
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I agree.
In the 1700 & 1800's only the rich had things made for them, poor/middle class persons had land & built their home.
They built the furniture, dug the well, built the barn, took care of the animals. they were doctors for humans & animals, using herbs knowledge past down by their fathers & mothers. They did leather
work, hunter & gardening, forging. Some blacksmiths in the township, but all milk & eggs, bacon came from you own farm. clothes were home made for the most part. So I agree that hand tool & skills were the most valuable. Today many will die from hunger & the next group will die from not knowing what plants work for food, meds & building. How many people would enter a library & know which books are useful & which is a waste of time ATSHTF.
That is why perennial plants are so important, they grow & multiply without much work. Annuals need work every week & have to be replanted every year. This simple truth could mean the different between hunger & making it though the winter.
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Jim, I do not think we will need a leader at first, but as the community grows & forms a township, we will need a sheriff, Judge, a mayor, a lawyer. But most people are focus on getting to that stage, not being in that stage. One thing we have today is knowledge of these thing, so it will be easier & faster to move from surviving to a township, because we know how to get there. We have a school teacher & the bill of rights, next is voting for the above jobs.
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Great leaders do not want the position.
Those people are not great but out of necessity have risen to the task that is thrust upon them from extraordinary events.
Those people are not great but out of necessity have risen to the task that is thrust upon them from extraordinary events.
bollox. that sounds like the talk of some sheeple who has to be told what to do.
the only survivors will be the ones that can be self sufficient and just get on with it.
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if you are talking about one person alone it will only work until you get hurt or break an important tool.
I am very careful not to get hurt and as for tools I have multiples , , I spent 12 years off grid alone.
When I posted here it was from my vision of what we are about to go through.
I do not see mad max event, only chaos for a few months.
After that, communities, which I will call counties, will try to recover and create some type of economy for businesses to resume as possible, for the good of the community (necessities).
As to why the need for formal business structures, in order to carry on business, we need rules to do so. We expect payment and that takes rules that are predictable.
If we contribute capital for the business to begin, we need a formal business definition so we know what happens if Joe leaves or dies.
If Joe dies, the investor loses his money. If a formal business is in place, the business survives and carries on. Without a written plan of business, both capital and the right people will not help that organization.
A great deal of the Rule of Law is for the purpose of commerce. It is so a person can predict the outcome of many business decisions before making them.
It has been said here that business got us here where we are today, a mess. The same can be said about underwear, cars, lipstick, hungry kids and a lot of greedy people.
But it makes no sense for us to all throw away our underwear and start all over.
Pol Pot, the dictator of Cambodia during the Vietnam war, did just that.
He remembered their history as agrarian that worked well, so he tried to go back there again. He genocided a third of their population in two years.
He executed all the leaders, educated, all that could read and all that wore glasses (as they could read). He set that country back at least a hundred years perhaps.
I do not see mad max event, only chaos for a few months.
After that, communities, which I will call counties, will try to recover and create some type of economy for businesses to resume as possible, for the good of the community (necessities).
As to why the need for formal business structures, in order to carry on business, we need rules to do so. We expect payment and that takes rules that are predictable.
If we contribute capital for the business to begin, we need a formal business definition so we know what happens if Joe leaves or dies.
If Joe dies, the investor loses his money. If a formal business is in place, the business survives and carries on. Without a written plan of business, both capital and the right people will not help that organization.
A great deal of the Rule of Law is for the purpose of commerce. It is so a person can predict the outcome of many business decisions before making them.
It has been said here that business got us here where we are today, a mess. The same can be said about underwear, cars, lipstick, hungry kids and a lot of greedy people.
But it makes no sense for us to all throw away our underwear and start all over.
Pol Pot, the dictator of Cambodia during the Vietnam war, did just that.
He remembered their history as agrarian that worked well, so he tried to go back there again. He genocided a third of their population in two years.
He executed all the leaders, educated, all that could read and all that wore glasses (as they could read). He set that country back at least a hundred years perhaps.
Final comment.
It is like crawling out of a bad train wreck.
At first you are cowering down for protection and
holding your hands over your ears from the horrible noise.
There will come a time to get clear of the wreckage, stand tall
and consider helping others, perhaps by triageing them
for others to give medical attention to.
Traige has a basic set of rules, either formal or some that a novice can figure out.
Why throw those rules away? Aren't they just what is needed in the next step in recovery?
It is like crawling out of a bad train wreck.
At first you are cowering down for protection and
holding your hands over your ears from the horrible noise.
There will come a time to get clear of the wreckage, stand tall
and consider helping others, perhaps by triageing them
for others to give medical attention to.
Traige has a basic set of rules, either formal or some that a novice can figure out.
Why throw those rules away? Aren't they just what is needed in the next step in recovery?
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Well, Pol Pot blew it for sure. Why do you think we'll only have a couple of months of chaos? I can't imagine it being only for a couple of months. Even if we elected a super president that was fiscally responsible, it would take a decade to get back on track with the inflation we have now. At least a decade.
No matter who wins this election, half of those in America are going to be ticked off.
No matter who wins this election, half of those in America are going to be ticked off.
Amish Heart:
Question: Why do you think we'll only have a couple of months of chaos?
Answer: I have been involved in the Collapse and reset for 20 years now.
I have knowledge most do not have.
Question: "it would take a decade to get back on track".
Answer: It will indeed take a long time for some things and a short time for other things. But it will not be Mad Max after a few months for most people.
Question: "with the inflation we have now."
Answer: INFLATION can end in one day if we choose.
That is created on purpose by the banks.
Take out the banks and the inflation ends.
Some Price Increases are because of shortages, not inflation.
So there will be price increases due to shortages until we get back to commerce and production.
Question: Why do you think we'll only have a couple of months of chaos?
Answer: I have been involved in the Collapse and reset for 20 years now.
I have knowledge most do not have.
Question: "it would take a decade to get back on track".
Answer: It will indeed take a long time for some things and a short time for other things. But it will not be Mad Max after a few months for most people.
Question: "with the inflation we have now."
Answer: INFLATION can end in one day if we choose.
That is created on purpose by the banks.
Take out the banks and the inflation ends.
Some Price Increases are because of shortages, not inflation.
So there will be price increases due to shortages until we get back to commerce and production.
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The most important job will not be a single highly desirable skill. The most important job will be general knowledge and experience, the ability to figure out and learn things without assistance, and fortitude - thus giving you the means to keep your family alive. Because if you can't do that, no one is going to give a rat's ass if you know how to weld metal, diagnose diabetes, fix a diesel engine or some other more specialized skill like that.
Every other skill you may have - even something important like knowing how to farm - isn't going to get you through the disaster. Because there will be so many other things that you do not know that they'll swamp you. That's why the ability to learn a thing quickly is more important than to already know that thing. You will never be able to survive using only your current skills - no matter how skilled you view yourself. You're going to have to learn a whole lot of new stuff. You better be able to do that quickly.
Not many will end up surviving, regardless of their current skills or their current prep levels. They may be able to extend their survival time a bit with pre-existing knowledge and possessions, but nothing significant in the grand scheme of things. The ability to survive comes down to the ability to learn quickly IMHO.
Every other skill you may have - even something important like knowing how to farm - isn't going to get you through the disaster. Because there will be so many other things that you do not know that they'll swamp you. That's why the ability to learn a thing quickly is more important than to already know that thing. You will never be able to survive using only your current skills - no matter how skilled you view yourself. You're going to have to learn a whole lot of new stuff. You better be able to do that quickly.
Not many will end up surviving, regardless of their current skills or their current prep levels. They may be able to extend their survival time a bit with pre-existing knowledge and possessions, but nothing significant in the grand scheme of things. The ability to survive comes down to the ability to learn quickly IMHO.
A very important person or skill will be the person who can manage people and help them get along with each other. A small group can have many skills but they must work together and get along.....that is where the wise counseler working with the head person can make the group a success.
Hope we get whatever plan together, a aircraft carrier in the red sea got attacked...gulf of tonkin anyone?
Hope we get whatever plan together, a aircraft carrier in the red sea got attacked...gulf of tonkin anyone?
If this is in regard to today's claim by Yemen's Houtis, the Navy said they weren't attacked. They also mentioned that idiot Iranian proxies have often claimed to have attacked the Eisenhower, but the Eisenhower hasn't noticed them doing that.
I imagined as much.....it's also good to know our own goverment always tells the truth.
I was looking at the situation in Gaza this morning, that is how most people will behave in the collapse, looting and rioting, and it wont be for just a few months, the situation will be permanent, once a society collapses that is it.
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Not sure that most people who loot & riot will live past a month or two. Groups like BGM are teaching people how to arm themselves in inner cities & they may all die, but they will take a lot of the trespasser with them.
As for the outer laying communities, well they are spaced apart & may live longer. No gas means slow travel a lot of wasted energy to move about. If you are in the county, then most have some food & some skills to grow food. If the Fall happens in spring & summer many will last till snowfall/cold weather sets in. If it happen in late autumn or winter, even less will live six weeks or more. I will not be able to work like I did twenty year ago or protect the crops as well as I did twenty years ago. It is a hard fact of life, cowboys in the 1800 died of old age at 45 to 50 years old. No med or food supply wll push age back 200 years. If you have @Peanuts skills then you can live off the land, but if not, what you do not know can kill you.
It will be the Hunger Game for real.
another reason why we moved to the middle of the English countryside, my wife is rural born and bred and I can grow food from seed.
urban areas wont last long post collapse but there will be mayhem whilst they do.
urban areas wont last long post collapse but there will be mayhem whilst they do.
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My wife too, country girls make the best mates.
got to agree with you there, its our silver wedding anniversary on Tuesday- 25 years! who'd have thought it? LOL.
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Yes, we just had our Ruby anniversary.
