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Schattentarn much is hidden about the why this and why that about America. The pilgrims and puritans came namely to America to escape religious persecution and start a new way of life. To them the USA was the New Jerusalem. That being said you also had the Enlightenment they had a different vision for America. For them it was to be the new Atlantis bringing forth enlightenment and power upon a new world. Perhaps you have two America’s at work when thinking upon why people don’t understand The 2nd America She be most beguiling and does greet you everyday with her beguiling smile and her cup of enlightenment be full to overflowing. View attachment 15058View attachment 15059


sorry - but I don't care for any foreigner interpreting absolutely anything about the USA - PRO or CON ....

you can bitch & moan - or - praise all you want on a personal level >>> but don't start lecturing about something you'll never really understand ....
 
sorry - but I don't care for any foreigner interpreting absolutely anything about the USA - PRO or CON ....

you can bitch & moan - or - praise all you want on a personal level >>> but don't start lecturing about something you'll never really understand ....
lllini warrior that really makes a lot of sense. I mean the people you call foreigners have only been studying and interpreting each other’s histories for hundreds & thousands of years all the way back to Herodotus . Thankfully the French foreigner Jean Champollion never followed your advice. You know the one who went on to make the breakthrough with understanding hieroglyphs from the discovery of the Rosetta Stone in Egypt. Thank you for your opinion but I will continue to express my thoughts as I please.
 
lllini warrior that really makes a lot of sense. I mean the people you call foreigners have only been studying and interpreting each other’s histories for hundreds & thousands of years all the way back to Herodotus . Thankfully the French foreigner Jean Champollion never followed your advice. You know the one who went on to make the breakthrough with understanding hieroglyphs from the discovery of the Rosetta Stone in Egypt. Thank you for your opinion but I will continue to express my thoughts as I please.
There's a lefty response if I ever read one. Studying does not equal the experience of living here. Now do the prison colony you live in...
 
I have another point of view for the all of you to contemplate:
If the world had said "OK" to Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia-Herzigovina and Cosovo it would be ok to break out of old Yugoslavia...
If the world had said it would be "OK" for Vietnam, South Korea and Kuwait to break away from being part of another "nation" for whatever reasons...Kuwait was a part of the Iraq nation... and stealing oil.....
If the world now wants to say to the Russian/Crimea area to become part of the motherland again because they speak more "russian" there...
THEN the world would also have to say it is "OK" for:
Belgium to split up into 3 pieces, (Flanders do not like the "frenchies"
Spain to split up in 3 pieces, (Catalonia and Basquenland do not like Spain.
Ireland, North Ireland and Scotland would be able to leave the UK.
Corsica would no longer be "French"
The Kurds would have their own lands
The Palistinians would get their land back from the Saudi Sheik Thief "king" who now calls his land by the name of JORDAN.
Under hitler and stalin...Poland DISAPPEARED COMPLETELY!!
Hungary would go back to its original size and swallow half of Rumania, all of Slovenia, most of Croatia, most of Chech Republic, most of Slovakia and parts of Austria!!!! and become the largest nation again in Europe and my wife would become a baroness again and her family would get back the thousands of acres of land stolen by the Treaty of Versailles and then the communists back in 1956... when they "created" Yugoslavia and the other lands involved....
You cannot say for certain lands to be free but not others just because of their geographical location and the tongue or language spoken...
Where do you draw the line of where the national borders are to stay forever?? The german/french border of "Elsass" has moved 6 times, the turks invaded europe up to Vienna for 400 years, swallowing Greece, Macedonia, Cosovo, Rumania and southern Hungary... and if you look back far enough in time... with the Roman Empire...ITALY stretched from the UK all the way down to Egypt...where and who draws the line...without war?
 
There's a lefty response if I ever read one. Studying does not equal the experience of living here. Now do the prison colony you live in...
Sounds like a lefty response you say. No. As to Study. Well that be one of the experiences of life. I don’t tend to discriminate between the experiences of life..As to the prison colony you say I live in . What of it ?
 
JMHO, from a historical perspective no invading country has ever been able to take all of Russia. Both Napoleon and Hitler have severely underestimated the capability and resiliency of the people in Russia. Extremely long supply lines and weather conditions have always been a problem. Just the vast expanse of Russia means that it would be next to impossible to occupy the entire country much less subdue it. Bidumb doesn't have a chance in Hell of winning a war with Russia. Even during the cold war there was MAD. Mutual assured destruction. In reality nobody wins.
 
Mutual assured destruction. In reality nobody wins.
Nobody ever really wins a war, they just kill enough of the "others" that they stop shooting each other. How many millions have been lost for nothing. Wanting to expand hitler destroyed his own nation, wanting to expand, napoleon destroyed his own land, wanting to expand, mussolini, franco, mao and many other "leaders" destroyed entire generations of their own sons and daughters.
How can the "neo-nazis" ever be proud to "follow" hitler, knowing he was a loser, liar, homosexual suicide victim?? What a hero...what an idol...sending 14 and 15 year old kids into war with only single grenade, a single anti-tank rocket only to commit suicide himself from fear of getting captured....
How much longer must the cannonballs fly before the human species ever realises that you can only eat, work and sleep. The rest is material and you cannot take it with you when you die...
Your life, your wife, your kids and your love is the only thing which will last, if you stay alive long enough to see your grandkids carry on in your own fashion and not be "offered" for the "great cause" of expansion...
Live free, Gary
 
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What MSM in Europe and the USA of course very deliberately conceal.
Volunteer Nazi paramilitaries like the ASOW battalion train civilians on weapons.
The patches on the camouflage jacket sleeves of these guys are already 100% proof of this. Our media here who always scream against right-wingers and Nazis don't say a word this time about what kind of guys are in the combat uniforms.
This is a dirty double standard, they only say how dangerous the Russians are, yes that is partly true, but ASOW and other volunteer battalions are just as dangerous and they can provoke a hot war because the Ukrainian government has no power over these institutions.



There are always two sides, and the Ukrainian side is not innocent in everything as our media always report.
I still say that if there is a hot war there, Ukraine will be a pawn, because if the Russians come, all the foreign mercenaries will quickly run home and Ukraine will be on its own.
I absolutely do not wish that for Ukraine and I hope that there will be a solution to the problem WITHOUT an invasion, but this solution must be found by Ukraine with the Russians and best of all without foreign mercenaries to whom Ukraine is only a means to an end.
 
What MSM in Europe and the USA of course very deliberately conceal.
Volunteer Nazi paramilitaries like the ASOW battalion train civilians on weapons.
The patches on the camouflage jacket sleeves of these guys are already 100% proof of this. Our media here who always scream against right-wingers and Nazis don't say a word this time about what kind of guys are in the combat uniforms.
This is a dirty double standard, they only say how dangerous the Russians are, yes that is partly true, but ASOW and other volunteer battalions are just as dangerous and they can provoke a hot war because the Ukrainian government has no power over these institutions.



There are always two sides, and the Ukrainian side is not innocent in everything as our media always report.
I still say that if there is a hot war there, Ukraine will be a pawn, because if the Russians come, all the foreign mercenaries will quickly run home and Ukraine will be on its own.
I absolutely do not wish that for Ukraine and I hope that there will be a solution to the problem WITHOUT an invasion, but this solution must be found by Ukraine with the Russians and best of all without foreign mercenaries to whom Ukraine is only a means to an end.


I have always been a little confused about this. Didn't Ukraine or parts of Ukraine begin on the side of the Germans? Somehow they must have been crushed because this situation is not widely discussed, at least here. Maybe you know what happened ban1985.

I had a friend in the 1970s. His parents were immigrants from "Poland". I got to know him fairly well and it seems to me his parents were Ukrainian but living or migrating to Poland after the war. This friend, Bill, hated Communists. His "Polish name" (family change it when they immigrated) really didn't should too Polish to me. At times he expressed neo-nazi views. I have often thought his father may have been in this anti-Russian army.
 
sorry - but I don't care for any foreigner interpreting absolutely anything about the USA - PRO or CON ....

you can bitch & moan - or - praise all you want on a personal level >>> but don't start lecturing about something you'll never really understand ....

Illini Warror, this whole thread is basically non-Russians and non-Ukrainians (one exception) voicing their views on these countries about which we only know from headlines and maybe travel logs on TV.
 
voicing their views on these countries about which we only know from headlines and maybe travel logs on TV.
Very well written and understood Schattentarn...I have lived now in Europe since 1978, worked with people from many nations and married a full blood Hungarian.
Hungary was "sold" to hitler by a nazi president and suffered terribly in WWII. My wifes uncles had to hide for years in the fields and woods of the new Yugoslavia and the serbian partisans murdered tens of thousands Hungarians in the decade following the war.
My BIL from my wifes sister, was carried to Germany from the Sudetenland (Chech) as a baby and was forced into a German house-hold by the politicians, making him unwanted and unloved by the Germans left over from the war and not having enough to wear, eat and live on themselves. Firsthand hatred.
Poland ceased to exist with hitler and stalin...after being re-created in 1945, they became absolutely brutal with anyone connected to germany. Chased them on the streets and beat them to death. Nobody is more nationalistic as a Pole. Even today, you cannot advertise anything there in any language except Polish. Fines of up to $50,000 if you use a single word in an advertisement that is not Polish.
The Romanians are also very nationalistic as are the Bulgarians. At the moment, half of Romania is ex-Hungary, taken away after WWII. And they want to become a part of the real Hungary again.
The Ukrainian story is nearly the same, but the dialect is different from true Russian. They are also suffering from bad corruption, doubling of gas and electricty costs by the Hunter Biden crap. Money being laundered in Latvia by the mafia like bosses in Gov't and big companies. And now the Crimea crisis and being threatened by Russia and Nato expansionism. NO, the Ukraine may not be perfectly innocent, but by far less than Russia and its giving many Russian passports out to Crimeans who asked for them. That is making it easier to "protect Russian citizens" by Putin...
Too much political crap, too much old history and too many hot headed persons around the core of the problem wanting a piece of the action...
Another sad mistake of proud people and stupid people against each other. Half of every war is carried by each of the "warriors" involved...Gary
 
I bear no ill will toward you or Ukraine but if your view prevails with your leadership, I think, unfortunately, you are going to war.
This is the point of view of the people of Ukraine. No one is going to bend under Russia. The government of Ukraine fully shares this point of view of the people as of 09.45, 15.02.2022.
If the president or parliament tries to go against the will of the people and conclude a separate agreement with Russia, then people will hang them on lanterns within half an hour after the publication of such an agreement ...
 
I still say that if there is a hot war there, Ukraine will be a pawn, because if the Russians come, all the foreign mercenaries will quickly run home and Ukraine will be on its own.
There are no foreign mercenaries in Ukraine. It is regrettable that Ukraine does not have the money to pay for the services of these mercenaries.
 
There are no foreign mercenaries in Ukraine. It is regrettable that Ukraine does not have the money to pay for the services of these mercenaries.

Ah yes, in German you say the en yes "Advisor" from my point of view that is almost the same as mercenaries, and some salary they get probably also.
Tell me how many of these "advisers" are in Ukraine at the moment and from which countries, and best of all how many CIA advisers and other organizations are there?

There are some people who want to help you, but there are enough foreign amateur soldiers who are in your country and hope for the big war.
No matter if they are unpaid or not, there are foreign forces with you in camouflage suits and weapons, even if they do it voluntarily, they will not be so connected to your country that they will hold the fort if the Russian really comes, for these people it is all about war, and if the Russian really comes the foreign "advisors" will be the first to run away.
 
This is the point of view of the people of Ukraine. No one is going to bend under Russia. The government of Ukraine fully shares this point of view of the people as of 09.45, 15.02.2022.
If the president or parliament tries to go against the will of the people and conclude a separate agreement with Russia, then people will hang them on lanterns within half an hour after the publication of such an agreement ...

If your president would ban the ASOW battalion and other SS paramilitaries he would not survive the day either.
Your president is not bad, but tolerating paramilitaries that openly glorify Nazism and intimidate or kill their own people is not a good thing either.

In one thing your president is right, he says that at the moment the Russians are not invading Ukraine and that the EU media and governments should shut up because they always say the opposite and keep pouring gasoline on the fire.
Ukraine is currently being used, not necessarily by the Russians but by the EU and NATO, the Russians also have dirt on them, but your country is currently a pawn of NATO and believe me, if the Russians come, most of NATO will not come and leave you to your own devices.
 
I have always been a little confused about this. Didn't Ukraine or parts of Ukraine begin on the side of the Germans? Somehow they must have been crushed because this situation is not widely discussed, at least here. Maybe you know what happened ban1985.

I had a friend in the 1970s. His parents were immigrants from "Poland". I got to know him fairly well and it seems to me his parents were Ukrainian but living or migrating to Poland after the war. This friend, Bill, hated Communists. His "Polish name" (family change it when they immigrated) really didn't should too Polish to me. At times he expressed neo-nazi views. I have often thought his father may have been in this anti-Russian army.

Too long history to write down everything here, there were in the past on all sides very bad incidents and they were really bad.
Stalin had also done very bad things and during WWII some Poles and Ukrainians cooperated with the Germans in the death camps and willingly denounced Jews, especially Poles.
Some were forced to do so, but there was also a dynamic, and the hatred and distrust of Russia is still great. partly understandable.

In order to give information you must either familiarize yourself with this great story and make your own picture, because I will not bring my opinion here because Anaconda would probably say everything is untrue and I don't share his opinion in everything.
 
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If your president would ban the ASOW battalion and other SS paramilitaries he would not survive the day either.
Your president is not bad, but tolerating paramilitaries that openly glorify Nazism and intimidate or kill their own people is not a good thing either.
Marasmus. I don't even see the point in commenting...
if the Russians come, most of NATO will not come and leave you to your own devices.
When the Russians come we will kill them. Everywhere and by any means.
Ukraine does not need troops from NATO countries to effectively resist Russia. We'll do great on our own. Modern weapons will suffice, which can be considered fair compensation for the voluntary surrender of the third most powerful nuclear potential.
 
So wage your war against Russia, but as you said, wage it alone and don't drag the rest of the world into this ****. But tell me how you want to get the modern weapons when you say that you have no money for mercenaries. I know that your country asks all European countries for war material for your war, but I don't know if you pay for the stuff.

War, war, war, I can't hear it anymore, but I don't think the entire Ukrainian population is out for suicide like you. Tell me how you imagine winning a war against Russia and that alone? Do you want to shoot a nuclear weapon to Moscow??? Yes, you will kill Russians if there is a war, but in the end almost all of you will be dead and your country and Europe will also be gone, I will be very grateful to you if I survive target..

Works so well together with the Canadians and others, you definitely don't have to tell me anymore that you don't have foreign forces supporting you in the potential suicide, even from my country there are a few with you.

 
@ANACONDA

Since we disagree one way or another, I'll end the discussion here and you'll end up back on my blacklist for the sake of peace here in the forum.

If the War starts with you, which I hope doesn't, I wish you luck in your campaign against Russia and stay alive, I'm not one to carelessly wish someone dead.
 
Nobody ever really wins a war, they just kill enough of the "others" that they stop shooting each other. How many millions have been lost for nothing. Wanting to expand hitler destroyed his own nation, wanting to expand, napoleon destroyed his own land, wanting to expand, mussolini, franco, mao and many other "leaders" destroyed entire generations of their own sons and daughters.
How can the "neo-nazis" ever be proud to "follow" hitler, knowing he was a loser, liar, homosexual suicide victim?? What a hero...what an idol...sending 14 and 15 year old kids into war with only single grenade, a single anti-tank rocket only to commit suicide himself from fear of getting captured....
How much longer must the cannonballs fly before the human species ever realises that you can only eat, work and sleep. The rest is material and you cannot take it with you when you die...
Your life, your wife, your kids and your love is the only thing which will last, if you stay alive long enough to see your grandkids carry on in your own fashion and not be "offered" for the "great cause" of expansion...
Live free, Gary
Gary the reasons for the 2nd world war be many we’d probably have to go to back to the 1st world war. The armistice was supposed to be just and fair to all. Who could really be blamed for the 1st world war as it was like a domino effect amongst the Axis and allied alliances. With the fateful fuse being lit by the hidden hand with the assassination at Sarajevo in 1914 of the archduke Franz Ferdinand future heir to the Austria-Hungarian empire along with his wife Duchess Sophie. Tragically with the communist uprisings and unrest in Germany at the time of the armistice the Allies took advantage of this abusing that with the later agreement of Versailles in June 1919. Loss of all colonial lands, chunks of Germanys territory taken to create other buffer nations out of her homeland. Germanys navy sunk or seized and her army vastly reduced along with being made to accept complete responsibility for starting the war. And on top of that retribution payments to the Allies which were astronomical in what the allies demanded financially. Evaluating all that . Germany was well on the way to a slow death and all the world for that matter as it turned out later as well. . You could say Hitler was born at Versailles. As to your statement of Hitler being homosexual or maybe bisexual if it ever were the case. Gary do let me take you back to a time in Germany known as the place of the roaring twenties where you could buy anything you like from from woman men lesbian Bi or Gay or.even little boys and little girls.. Sex clubs and hang outs were on every street. That was Berlin in the 1920’s the Babylon of Europe and a pleasure haven for the world. Babylon Berlin ceased to exit when Hitler came to power. Simply because closed them all down . Was he really gay ? Now to your statement of Hitler being a coward because he shot himself. Cowards don’t generally get awarded 2 knights crosses 1st & 2nd class. He was a runner in the 1st world war. I think suffering a number of injuries even capturing single handedly around 6 allied soldiers on one occasion. And also being gassed and temporarily blinded for awhile near the wars end . Perhaps there was good reason for him to choose suicide along with others as well. Simply because the news had filtered through of what had befallen Benito Mussolini and his mistress Clara. Shot mutilated and hung upside down like slaughtered pigs at the market and who knows what else the partisans did prior to their executions . Was Hitler really a coward?. How does one evaluate the Jews of Masada. Let me not fall into the hands of my enemies be a famous psalm from the king David. And so it was when all looked lost to the advancing Romans at Masada the remaining Jews chose lots to kill each other. men, woman and children alike until the very last.. They have martyr status . I tend to reflect on many things. Anyway Food for thought.
 
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CRP just posted this:

"I am in Kharkiv, Ukraine, 40km from the Russian border, living here with my two small children—so I have a strong incentive to know what’s going on.
No war is coming. It is a complete fabrication. It is Washington cynically using the mainstream media to ratchet up American hysteria, a literal “Wag the Dog” psyop to distract from the colossal problems in the US.

When “Russian troop movements” talk started in November, people who know started pointing out that, number one, the troops were closer to Belarus than to Ukraine, and number two, the troops were actually in their regular bases, and not deployed as if preparing for war.

As the US economy deteriorated and inflation became too big to ignore, there was more talk of the “Russian invasion of Ukraine!“

Putin took advantage of this, of course, judo master that he is. He used this non-crisis to put pressure on the Europeans and make them split from the Americans. Because European and American interests diverge significantly insofar as their relationship to Russia is concerned. It is extremely cheap for Russia to have its soldiers marching around in their own bases, and deploy medical gear right outside their barracks, and then watch as the Americans freak out about it, further driving a wedge between the US and Europe.

How do I know that the leadership in the west does not actually believe any war is imminent? Very simple: The German chancellor and the French president are visiting Kiev and Moscow, and the Americans have openly said that they will not disconnect Russia from SWIFT. If they truly thought that a war was about to break out, they would be acting very, very differently, and Russia would have been disconnected from SWIFT quite some time ago.”
 
RUSSIA is set to invade Ukraine at 1am tomorrow with a massive missile blitz and 200,000 troops, according to US intelligence.
Highly placed sources said preparations to defend the besieged nation would continue - despite reports Putin was withdrawing some troops from the border
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US intelligence said the most likely time for Putin’s order was 3am (1am UK time).
American spooks believe Kyiv’s military and government command and control centres still have a barrage of air strikes before tanks roll over the border.
Russian claimed today to be pulling back around 10,000 troops from its Western and Southern to barracks after military drills.
But around 130,000 remain on Ukraine’s eastern and southern borders with around 40,000 pro-Putin forces in Belarus to the north.
Another 30,000 pro-Russian separatists were facing Ukraine defenders in the captured Donbas enclave.
And preparations continued apace in Kyiv yesterday as anti-aircraft systems were seen moving into position along with columns of National Guard vehicles.
A military source said: “We cannot take anything that Russia says or does at face value. We have to prepare to defend ourselves.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17655287/russia-set-invade-ukraine-tomorrow/
 
From post by Ban1985
Ukraine is currently being used, not necessarily by the Russians but by the EU and NATO, the Russians also have dirt on them, but your country is currently a pawn of NATO and believe me, if the Russians come, most of NATO will not come and leave you to your own devices.

Ukraine is being used. It is being used probably by a lot of interests but I know for a fact it is being used by the Biden Administration. This is classic wage the dog, that is, diverting attention from the horrendous situation within the USA to some shiny object far, far away but claiming it is a national threat to us. Biden does not give a rat's rear about the people of Ukraine. Hunter is no longer getting a paycheck from Ukraine so why would he? Biden is perfectly willing to sell Ukraine down the river by failing to assure Putin of NATO's intentions just to maintain leftist power in the US.

Ling31 has pointed out the stupid way war can work, even over long periods of time. WW1 and WW2 were really the same war with a little break in between. If that was stupid, and a dark comedy of unintended consequences, what are the issues over Ukraine in comparison? Anaconda is ready to fight the Russian Bear rather than even recognize Russia's legitimate security interests in the wider world concerning NATO. If his attitude is reflected with the people of Ukraine and Ukrainian leadership, then they will fight the greatest land army ever fielded by mankind. The Russians know how to take and hold territory and no amount of bravery or bravado will change this if the Russians decide to invade.

As I have said the Arch Duke Ferdinand trigger of the Ukraine crisis was Barack Obama and his coup trying to get NATO in Ukraine. Ukraine never recovered or even recognized this fact, instead they went toe to toe with the Russians who also were sucked into this intrigue. Because of this we Americans bear responsibility for whatever happens now and I don't like it at all. When this all ends, I just hope Europe will finally enter the 21st Century and dump NATO.
 
Just think of all the billions of US $ WE could use to re-build America Back Better Before Bidens ********, if we would only stop financing the NATO, EU, UN and all the ABC crap entities who are blatantly sucking money out of the US economy.
YOU CAN ONLY FIGHT WARS IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH$$$$$$$$: Take away the dollars from all those nations sucking on their thumbs and the US *****...you would not have all the wars....
America is financing about a hundred and twenty dictators around the world at the moment just to be able to keep things under control....let them make or break their own ***** and countries and see how they do with their own citizens...overnight quiet except for the drug cartels who are self-financed by the rich elite crap buying cocain and heroin, plus the poor kids buying the hash and maryjane.
In Italy, they claim that the mafia does more money moving in weapons, drugs, prostitution and illegal dumping of TRASH than the Gov't there does with its military, coast guard, federal police, government subsidies and federal employees. You just have to follow the money and the global players using the present system to screw the little guy into working long hours, paying taxes and finally DYING at a young enough age so that they that be don't have to pay them any retirement money....all perfectly planned by the banks, corrupted gov't and stupid laws. Live free, Gary
 
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