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The scumbag Zelensky is now sending young women to the front, without any scruples. Women are now being mobilized in Ukraine and thrown to the front because there are no more men.
There are already the first videos of this and there are already videos of women being killed by drones at the front.

What is going on in this Ukraine country is outrageous and any other country would have given up the war a long time ago and gone to the negotiating table, that would not be an act of cowardice but of common sense. No country the size of Ukraine could defeat Russia or the USA except with nuclear weapons and then not only their own country would be gone, but half the world.

Selensky, this beast, is turning Ukraine into a huge slaughterhouse, and at the moment he is driving women, minors and some 70 year olds to the front, which he himself would not visit for a day on the front line. I don't know how he manages this with his conscience, he will have already sold his life and conscience to Satan because there are rarely people who act as cold-bloodedly and rashly as this guy.

No matter what Selensky does, he will pay dearly for it one day, if he ends up absconding to the USA or somewhere else (which he surely will) Russia's long arm will catch him and he will pay for it in hell because he will NEVER be able to justify his shameful and perverse deeds before a deity.
 
If Selensky ends up in the Ukraine, it will happen as you write, if he ends up in the USA, his journey to hell will probably begin in a different way.

Either way, he can't disappear from the scene without a trace, unless a heavy bomb lands in his bunker, then there will be nothing left of him to find.
 
Obviously the information some of you receive concerning the Ukraine / Russian War is for different than what I receive . To keep someone from having a stroke or something I refrain from even divulging information on the conflict . -- I have drone footage and footage from helmet cams as the war is fought sent to me by a source not available to the casual news seeker . Simply put I have no desire to get our members all upset . -- However I will say ,I am not so arrogant as to believe my information is all correct and everyone else is wrong as a lot of misinformation is being strewn about . Time will answer as to what is the truth .I
 
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I have rooted for Ukraine since the start of the war but I am a realist. Without support of other nations, Ukraine will lose the war. As I have stated many times, soldiers win battles but logistics win wars. Ukraine does not have the manpower or other logistics needed to fight a war of attrition. If they do not win some major victories very soon, they will continue to lose support. Politicians and the general population tend to support winners. The Ukraine is not winning. A stalemate is a path to destruction. I do not get involved in the politics of nations, as I don't live there. I do not like nations invading other nations, except to repel invaders. The Ukraine did not invade Russia, so that is why I support the Ukraine.
 
tmttactical said:
I have rooted for Ukraine since the start of the war but I am a realist. Without support of other nations, Ukraine will lose the war. As I have stated many times, soldiers win battles but logistics win wars. Ukraine does not have the manpower or other logistics needed to fight a war of attrition. If they do not win some major victories very soon, they will continue to lose support. Politicians and the general population tend to support winners. The Ukraine is not winning. A stalemate is a path to destruction. I do not get involved in the politics of nations, as I don't live there. I do not like nations invading other nations, except to repel invaders. The Ukraine did not invade Russia, so that is why I support the Ukraine.
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You are 100% right in a lot of what you write, I also don't think it's a great achievement that the Russians went into Ukraine, especially because it could have been prevented.

There are too many things there that you can't understand well as an outsider. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, politics and the people in the region have been torn apart. Ukraine had a good basis and, above all, good economic cards; the country would have had a future.
Only oligarchs and corruption had other ideas and the swamp is spreading too much while the population is bitterly poor because wages are the lowest in the European area, the country was also viciously exploited by Europe.

Unfortunately, there were also powers within the Ukrainian government and in the EU who had other plans. The EU destabilized the old government from 2015 and overthrew it, so to speak, and installed a pro-European government, which is what the guys in Brussels wanted, so to speak and admittedly because the old government was a thorn in your side.
Since 2015, the new Ukrainian government has been fighting the Russian-born Russian-speaking Ukrainians in a kind of internal war in eastern Ukraine and has killed a lot of civilians, including a lot of children.
Not a nice thing and it was clear that the guy in the Kremel wasn't happy about it at all, plus the fact that the country still wanted to join NATO and the guy in the Kremel thought it was even less great that there were a few new US bases a few kilometers away Having Moscow which Joe would inevitably have set up there.

Anyway, you can be a fan of Putin or not, it's clear that this guy will get angry at some point when the EU and USA piss at his feet every day and he has to watch civilians being killed in eastern Ukraine who are also Slavic Slavs are really sensitive about this. I think the EU and USA also had a great interest in the conflict and are not innocent...

What would Joe or a successor do if Russia upgraded Cuba or Mexico and it became a danger to the USA??? Well, we've had that story before and luckily Kennedy was president at the time, even though the world was close to a nuclear inferno at the time.
Every story has two sides, including that of Ukraine, I'm not saying it's the country's fault, the Ukrainian people are very poor guys and I feel sorry for them, but the regime in Ukraine and the EU have bloody hands because of the conflict, also Joe and his son is not innocent in the matter.
 
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You are 100% right in a lot of what you write, I also don't think it's a great achievement that the Russians went into Ukraine, especially because it could have been prevented.

There are too many things there that you can't understand well as an outsider. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, politics and the people in the region have been torn apart. Ukraine had a good basis and, above all, good economic cards; the country would have had a future.
Only oligarchs and corruption had other ideas and the swamp is spreading too much while the population is bitterly poor because wages are the lowest in the European area, the country was also viciously exploited by Europe.

Unfortunately, there were also powers within the Ukrainian government and in the EU who had other plans. The EU destabilized the old government from 2015 and overthrew it, so to speak, and installed a pro-European government, which is what the guys in Brussels wanted, so to speak and admittedly because the old government was a thorn in your side.
Since 2015, the new Ukrainian government has been fighting the Russian-born Russian-speaking Ukrainians in a kind of internal war in eastern Ukraine and has killed a lot of civilians, including a lot of children.
Not a nice thing and it was clear that the guy in the Kremel wasn't happy about it at all, plus the fact that the country still wanted to join NATO and the guy in the Kremel thought it was even less great that there were a few new US bases a few kilometers away Having Moscow which Joe would inevitably have set up there.

Anyway, you can be a fan of Putin or not, it's clear that this guy will get angry at some point when the EU and USA piss at his feet every day and he has to watch civilians being killed in eastern Ukraine who are also Slavic Slavs are really sensitive about this. I think the EU and USA also had a great interest in the conflict and are not innocent...

What would Joe or a successor do if Russia upgraded Cuba or Mexico and it became a danger to the USA??? Well, we've had that story before and luckily Kennedy was president at the time, even though the world was close to a nuclear inferno at the time.
Every story has two sides, including that of Ukraine, I'm not saying it's the country's fault, the Ukrainian people are very poor guys and I feel sorry for them, but the regime in Ukraine and the EU have bloody hands because of the conflict, also Joe and his son is not innocent in the matter.
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I fully understand the points you have made but bottom line, none of the people in Ukraine are better off since the Russian invasion. As for your example of the Cuban crisis, the USA did not Invade Cuba an try to take over the country. As for Mexico, they continue to ship illegal aliens into America, along with huge amount of drugs. We have not rallied our troops and invade Mexico. Do nation work to undermine governments they don't like, yes, all the time. If those efforts fail, that does not grant them a reason for an invasion. Nations need to stay on their own side of their borders. Due to the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, even more nations are flocking to join NATO. SIASD!
 
tmttactical said:
I fully understand the points you have made but bottom line, none of the people in Ukraine are better off since the Russian invasion. As for your example of the Cuban crisis, the USA did not Invade Cuba an try to take over the country. As for Mexico, they continue to ship illegal aliens into America, along with huge amount of drugs. We have not rallied our troops and invade Mexico. Do nation work to undermine governments they don't like, yes, all the time. If those efforts fail, that does not grant them a reason for an invasion. Nations need to stay on their own side of their borders. Due to the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, even more nations are flocking to join NATO. SIASD!
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Yes, you're right about some things, an invasion of foreign territory should be the last thing to be considered, that's my opinion too. The problem there is simply that this ethnic group there thinks differently and can't stand it when civilians are shot at by their own.
If Putin wanted to, he could do the same as the Israelis in Gaza, bomb everything regardless of civilians, but he doesn't, otherwise Ukraine would have been completely bombed out long ago.
The civilians in eastern Ukraine are still not much better off economically, you are right, but the eastern Ukrainians no longer have to live with the danger of being killed by their own army, as has been the case since 2015.
As for NATO, I don't know if that's to their advantage, but in my view Putin is setting a very big trap for NATO.
All the crossings in Ukraine across the Dnieper River are still intact, that's where all the West's war equipment goes to the front, if Russia were to bomb them, which it has long since been able to do, the Ukrainian front would be cut off from supplies and encircled.
So guess why Russia isn't doing that? I think because Russia wants to bleed NATO of weapons, which has already worked for the European part, and if NATO has nothing left, Europe, especially England, Germany and Poland, will burn.
Joe will then consider, if he still has a brain, whether he still wants trouble with Russia.

A good and well-intentioned tip from me, NEVER underestimate the Russians, they always think in advance about what they do and are not always as stupid as our media writes.
The Russian plan has already worked in Europe, the industry here is dying and our energy supply is increasingly at risk because of the Russian sanctions and the deliberate blowing up of NS 1+2. If the winter stays so cold there will be very big problems here.

As for the military, the European arsenals are empty, active army units have been looted and everything has been given to Ukraine. According to reports, Germany is still fit for war for another 2 to 3 days and other countries are no longer fit for War.
The EU bosses now have the idea that the European defense companies don't have to fill the empty arsenals in Europe, but that the defense companies only have to produce directly to Ukraine, that's a fact, you can also seal your own downfall that way.

Of course the Russian knows this and he also knows how things are going down, in real time, with the sanctions the USA and EU have shot themselves in the foot one way or another.

Russia was completely driven into the arms of China, Iran and North Korea and is now selling its fuel to them and to India and is making big profits, the West has imposed sanctions and is now losing more than Russia.
I don't know what it's like in the USA, but here everything is getting more expensive every week. Electricity has certainly increased by 150% for a few months, rents by 30%, insurance by 10% every year, food by 50% every year and taxes are also going up, the middle class will soon be history and people will take to the streets and Europe will burn by its own hand.

Was it all worth it???
 
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ban1985 said:
don't know what it's like in the USA, but here everything is getting more expensive every week. Electricity has certainly increased by 150% for a few months, rents by 30%, insurance by 10% every year, food by 50% every year and taxes are also going up, the middle class will soon be history and people will take to the streets and Europe will burn by its own hand
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We have inflation here too. Of course the real inflation numbers are not given by our corrupt government. The paid liar for biden yesterday tried to convince the American people that this is the strongest economy ever! It would be hilarious if so many were not suffering from it. The globalists believe they can crash all White nations and then take 100% control. I personally see it going well of the rails of what they are planning. There will be HUGE GALLOWS nationwide before this is over.
 
Well it used to be this liar. Peppermint Patty look alike. 😂


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Now it is a complete idiot without a single functioning brain cell.
Karine Jean-Pierre

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GeorgiaPeachie said:
Peppermint Patty
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Well "Peppermint Patty" deserves my Respect, at least she had the dignity to give the dementia-stricken liar Joe quitting your job.
From that point of view, she's a smart woman, even if I don't know her story in detail.

The successor to "Peppermint Patty" is certainly an advantage for Joe because he can show his "diversity values" better, provided the idiot still knows what he's doing.🤪
 
ban1985 said:
A good and well-intentioned tip from me, NEVER underestimate the Russians, they always think in advance about what they do and are not always as stupid as our media writes.
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If you knew your history, Hitler was informed by his spies in Russia that Stalin only had a few hundred artillery pieces, a few hundred tanks and very few airplanes.
In reality, Stalin had thousands of tanks, artillery pieces and airplanes, all kept secret till the DAY OF AWAKENING.
Russia never plays any games with its enemies, Putin would pull out a few million citizens from the west, nuke it and burn it to the ground like what happened to Napoleon.
The only goal the Russians have ever had---was not keeping their soldiers from dying. Their only goal was to make the enemy pay for every inch of land with blood and make sure that there were enough Russians left over after any war that they would build RUSSIA back up again with RUSSIAN BLOOD and not mixed with the blood of the immigrants:
ALL western European nations, ALL OF THEM are infiltrated with immigrants and are losing the battle for their own lands, languages and cultures. Hungary, Poland and Russia are keeping their own heritage alive, honing their cultures and keeping their lands free from damaging immigration.
It is too late for the right-wing, nationalists in western Europe to save their culture. Look at the Ukraine now.
Millions of refugees will never go back, hundreds of thousands are shell-shocked, poor, cold, hungry and how many women do not have a man to do the hard work? Millions of immigrants will be needed to do the dirty work of re-building the Ukraine and will just take up the women who are now left alone by this useless war, just like the rest of Europe after all the healthy young men were killed in WWII.
 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...mbshell-biden-defense-secretary-lloyd-austin/


"The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, defense secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins and sons to fight Russia.” Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids."

Is this why Mike Johnson made the deal?

 
Joe could and will probably order the invasion of Ukraine shortly before official impeachment proceedings become active. There are currently enough US troops stationed in Eastern Europe just waiting for the order to go into Ukraine.

Russia knows this, and Russia is 100% prepared if this happens, even if Russia has no interest in a global conflict. Just how hot the situation is is shown by Putin's trip to the Arabs, where at least 5 modern fighter jets were with the presidential plane the whole time and flew to the Arab countries.

https://www.rt.com/russia/588649-fighter-jets-putin-middle-east/
That's something new and those things were heavily armed, they would have shot down any NATO plane that came too close to the presidential plane regardless of any consequence.
I think you know how close we are to the ultimate bang right now, I'm going to go shopping for a few things and see what happens, my gut is telling me it's not going to be good.
 
Well, at the end Russia already showed up the NATO, EU and US limits.
The whole west is running out of money, weapons, ammo, the western economics is on the ground.

Russia isn't isolated, Putin still alive and not in prison (as the west would like to have), the ukrainian shorty still crying around.
The russian economy increased, Russia still have enough soldiers and material to go ahead.

And i'm not sure if Biden dare to send US Troops to the Ukraine. It would be definitively the beginning of an active WW3, China and the Arabs plus an bigger part of Africa won't fight on US side.
Further i'm very sure an WW3 would be the end of our civilisation. OK, the good thing would be the WEF plans would be history too very fast.
 
https://www.rt.com/news/588738-us-biden-republicans-losing-ukraine/https://www.rt.com/where-to-watch/
US President Joe Biden speaks at Tioga Marine Terminal on October 13, 2023 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. © Mark Makela/Getty Images

The president of the United States has caused a stir. Speaking to Congress, Joe Biden brought up the possibility of “American troops fighting Russian troops.”
Biden, of course, has repeatedly had problems staying on script or keeping his thoughts straight, resulting in embarrassing gaffes, such as calling his Vice President Kamala Harris a “great president” or mixing up Ukraine and Iran.
However, in this case, his delivery was reasonably coherent. His statement was deliberate, and he even repeated it to make sure his audience fully appreciated its gravity.
No wonder it raised eyebrows. A war between America and Russia, would feature the two largest – by far – of the world’s nine nuclear powers. And others, such as Great Britain or China, for instance, could be drawn in as well because such a conflict would easily turn into a world war. Even the conventional arsenals of Washington and Moscow would guarantee devastation, at least in Europe and probably elsewhere, too.
Yet it is important to understand the context of Biden’s remarks and to be precise about what he said – and what he did not say.
Regarding the context, the American president is on the defensive, not so much against Russia as against the Republicans. They are steadfastly refusing to pass a spending bill that is mostly a vehicle to transfer yet another whopping $61 billion of aid to Ukraine. That would come on top of a current – as of October – total of $116 billion already approved by the American Congress in response to the war in Ukraine.
The opposition to releasing more funding has more than one reason. Republicans are explicit about the fact that they are using the administration’s request as leverage. They want concessions to their ideas about hardening America’s borders against immigration. Since the White House will not play ball, Republicans will no longer cooperate on money for Ukraine. In that sense, this is just everyday politics: tough horse-trading cloaked in overblown rhetoric.
But that marks a momentous shift. The West’s proxy war in Ukraine used to be exempt from politics as usual, ideologically elevated to a plane of almost religious significance. Those days are well and truly over. Republicans clearly fear no electoral repercussions for treating this issue as just another bargaining chip. And they are right. Polls show declining support for the war among American voters. Even in August, a majority were already against spending more money on it. Among Republican voters, this position is preponderant.

No wonder Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has canceled his already scheduled remote appearance before Congress. He is no longer treated as special, and his pleas would have made no difference, leaving him with nothing but additional public humiliation.

At the same time, the demotion of the proxy war from a sort of holy war for Western “values” (whatever those may be) to a tradeable item could not have happened without the failure of Ukraine and its sponsors on the battlefield. The Republicans’ intransigence and Biden’s escalating rhetoric are the result of a real, realistic, and by now openly admitted sense that this is likely to be a lost cause.

This brings us back to the question of what exactly the American president has actually said. In essence, he has delivered two key points. One was his unfounded, if popular, guess – presented with the usual aplomb as certainty – that if Russia wins the war in Ukraine, it will inevitably go on to attack other countries. And since Biden also assumes that Moscow’s future targets would include NATO member states – clearly in Eastern Europe, in particular – he concluded that such a Russian attack would trigger America’s treaty obligation to fight Russia directly.

Of course, experts at least know that even NATO’s famed Article Five is not the hair trigger many believe it to be. In reality, according to the letter of the NATO treaty, member states do not automatically have to go to war when another member state is attacked. But it is a political fact that NATO’s real-world credibility rests on the idea that its members will defend each other militarily and without hesitation.

Hence, Biden’s warning that if Ukraine loses, America and Russia could end up at war both is and is not about Ukraine. It is, because Ukraine’s looming defeat is its trigger. It is not, because Biden has not threatened such a fight in or over Ukraine. Instead, he has not only made clear who Washington claims to be ready to defend by going to war with Moscow but also who it will not defend in that manner, namely Ukraine. For Kiev, this must be bitter. But it was predictable. The Zelensky regime allowed the West, led by the US, to use its country as a pawn – good enough to bleed profusely but not good enough for membership of the club. What Biden has said is simply a summary of that sad, cruel, and humiliating fact. In other times, Zelensky would have had only one honorable thing left to do. He’ll probably go for a golden exile instead.

On the surface, the American president seems to still try to avert Ukraine’s defeat. But that is deceptive, for two reasons. Biden’s talk may sound like an attempt to pressure the obstinate Republicans into finally coughing up the money to save the day. But, in reality, it is more likely that the president or those around him know that the day cannot be saved anymore. Hence, in reality, this warning is an early move in the blame game. Once Ukraine is defeated, the question “who lost Ukraine” will poison American politics, perhaps, depending on the precise timing of that defeat, even during a presidential election.

Biden is merely preparing the ground for blaming the Republicans for what will be the result of his administration’s arrogant high-risk policy. Will that work? Probably not outside Democratic true-believer circles.

And then, last and perhaps really least, there is a message to Washington’s NATO “partners” in Europe. “Yes,” it runs, “we are about to lose our signature proxy war against Russia; yes, everything went wrong, from economic sanctions (which made Russia stronger instead of weaker) to military support (which showed Moscow that Western tanks also “burn,” in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s laconic terms); and yes, we have over-extended ourselves and revealed how weak we really are in every way possible. But please don’t worry. If push comes to shove, you – unlike Ukraine – are still safe because you – unlike Ukraine – are inside the club. For you, we would really, really fight. Honest.”

What a message, once unpacked. Even on its own terms, it reeks of despair and bluffing. And if it’s not a bluff, then what a promise: Don’t worry. If you are attacked, there will be World War Three.

The reality is that the Western gamble in Ukraine has done irreversible damage – to the West (apart from Ukraine, of course). NATO has dealt a crushing and probably lasting blow to its own credibility. The West’s – and really Europe’s and the world’s – real hope does not lie in American words about resolve. Ask in Kiev: they were fed the same “with-you-to-the-end” shlock. And Article Five cannot be relied on to make the difference, because the US will only ever consult its own – usually misguided – self-interest, and its NATO “allies” (vassals, really) would be naive to rely on it. Berlin even might; Paris, for instance, not so much. No, the world’s real hope lies in how silly Biden’s premise is. Moscow would be foolish to attack one European NATO member state after the other. And unlike the West, Russia recently has given very few signs of being foolish. It is, in other words, Russia’s rationality that a proxy-defeated NATO-Europe will have to rely on. How ironic.
 
The above post by Danil 54grl is what I was trying to drive home months ago , but at that time I was running on pure instinct and had no way to present any confirming information . Guys this is just the beginning not the ending , again just running on pure instinct . --- Just for human interest will say the person with the strongest instinct that I have ever meet was the wife and the mother of a father daughter team that goes to Washington Dc to speak before the U.S. congress on matters they know that is not known by the politicians in Washington . Their trips to Washington are yearly . What the congressmen and Congresswomen don't know , the " strongest power " is not the duo in Washington but the wife and mom that doesn't want the exposure and remains way back in an isolated Ozark retreat . I have sat down and ate breakfast with this family and know them well . The woman with the eerie instinct I can say , cooked the best biscuits that I have ever ate . Their predictions for the future that they made over a decade ago or now being fulfilled .
 
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