the AR 15,,,here we go

[Dani]

If a psycho kid didn't have an AR15 to use and really wanted to kill people, he would simply use a different weapon. Like a bomb or a car. Taking one weapon away will not stop this kind of insanity.

 

[lonewolf]

I think that's the problem, somehow people with mental health problems are getting hold of guns, maybe better licencing checks are needed?

 

[Brent S]

I don’t pretend to have all the answers here. I do know that banning even all the guns isn’t going to stop tragedies altogether. I do think that much more stringent checks should be adopted at the very least. And as far as Australia is concerned, it did have a positive impact on the issue over the last two decades.

 

[DrPrepper1]

I think that's the problem, somehow people with mental health problems are getting hold of guns, maybe better licencing checks are needed?

I doubt that would work. I just read an article how there are hundreds of illegal pot farmers in California that are from Mexico. They are living in the forest and killing of the wildlife awhile growing illegal crops. When the farms get raided by the government, they find plenty of AR15's supplied by the cartel. The cartel isn't located in California exclusively. Do you think better licensing will weed out the cartel?........nope.

 

[DrPrepper1]

How about media stop flashing pictures of these people every time they have to give an update. . . Isnt that just giving them what they want? To be known for a mass shooting? He post a You Tube video of how he wanted to be a 'professional school shooter' . . . who in their right mind strives for this? See something, do something. But what is so sad is that FBI knew about this guy last year and DID NOTHING. How about we demand that they start worrying about something other than Trump? They said they couldnt ID the guy because the IP address couldnt be found. This is the FBI, dont you think they are a little higher tech than that to use that excuse? He was KNOWN to so many including the school. How many balls got dropped here? The school didnt even want him on campus with a backpack. You can play the blame game all day long, but fact is HE was the one who was pulling that trigger.

Society has done this to themselves over the years and this is where it has gone. . . Young people are always connected to an electronic, not as much interactive person to person contact. Violent video games and movies just keep getting gorier. Desensitizing kids now days. Lack of parental supervision because both parents are having to work outside the home or even one lacking presence at all and have broken homes. Some are considered lucky to even know who their daddy is. Too many kids are not getting the love and attention they need anymore and parents rely on others to 'babysit'. So many in society has lost their wholesome values.

Put blame where blame needs to go. . . . its not the gun.

I agree! much of this comes from the media. These whack jobs watch the media and see how much attention a person gets and they do the same because they want that kind coverage. The first major school shooting was Columbine. Everyone was glued to the tv because it was just unbelievable. People were wondering who and why. After that it became common place. Where did other kids get this idea? ...from the media. Instead of just saying a 'gunman' shot and killed several students, they play for hours at a time their picture, where they lived etc. They interview anyone willing to get on camera. The media doesn't care if it is their mail man, 3rd grade teacher, neighbor...whatever. They need air time for ratings and that makes them money. Before the news went on the stock exchange, you had real reporters like Walter Kronkite, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings. They would have never given any of these clowns 1/8 th the amount of attention they get. If the average Joe wants to help stop this, turn off the news. Quit watching the glorify it. The more we watch, the more they will do it, and the more whack jobs will line up to rinse and repeat.

 

[Mundame]

I saw on the news this was the 18th mass shooting this year. I'm not sure what qualifies for 'mass' but I assume two or more. February isn't even over and 18......
I just read an article on Australia's actions to stop this stuff. After a mass shooting they banned assault and semi auto weapons. 200k fine if caught possessing one. That was twenty years ago, and not one mass shooting since.
The govt did a mass buy back of weapons too.
It's only a matter of time before it happens here. with all the senseless deaths, and especially in schools, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be such a bad thing. Ok, have fun beating on me for that last statement, but give me any other ideas on what would stop this insanity. I just can't help think about all the parents of dead kids since columbine.

I think it's just a false leftist meme. You are supposed to think there have been lots of mass killings like in Florida Wednesday, but that's bogus.

This from APNews 2/16/2018

"Wednesday’s shooting was the 17th incident of gunfire at a U.S. school this year. Of these, one involved a suicide, two involved active shooters who killed students, two involved people killed in arguments and three involved people who were shot but survived. Nine involved no injuries at all."

So nearly all these were standard police action incidents at schools, mostly high school. And probably a lot are gang incidents.

 

[Maverick]

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

 

[Brent S]

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

Scary, not surprising, but scary.

 

[DrPrepper1]

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

Geez ... yeah not surprising.

 

[dpadams6]

Many don't mention that, compared to how many guns are in the hands of Americans, all these shootings are such a low percent, that they would not even register as being significant.
Heck, it wouldn't even be considered relevant, percentage wise.
Kinda like, worrying about being in a plane crash and more likely to be struck by lightening.

 

[user 6493]

Many don't mention that, compared to how many guns are in the hands of Americans, all these shootings are such a low percent, that they would not even register as being significant.
Heck, it wouldn't even be considered relevant, percentage wise.
Kinda like, worrying about being in a plane crash and more likely to be struck by lightening.

yeah this is very true,,but those are not the numbers they are looking at

 

[Brent S]

True, there are millions of guns, and only a couple school shootings a month.,... still too many shootings.
I foresee schools being fitted with metal detectors, fences, auto lock doors, armed security guards,etc. in the future. Hell, they can’t afford school supplies now, where is the money going to come from? Not to mention going to school is going to feel like going to prison.
I still feel that there are many people out there that are intelligent and responsible enough to have AR’s. I don’t think however that they should not be mass produced and mass marketed to anyone in the general public that can afford to scrape together 500 dollars. There are too many low intelligence and unstable people out there in the general masses. I believe there should be much more stringent requirements for these. The fact that I was able to just walk into a gun store and walk out with one in 15 minutes or less, with no questioning whatsoever, and all they look for is if you have a felony or not is nuts.

 

[Brent S]

Many don't mention that, compared to how many guns are in the hands of Americans, all these shootings are such a low percent, that they would not even register as being significant.
Heck, it wouldn't even be considered relevant, percentage wise.
Kinda like, worrying about being in a plane crash and more likely to be struck by lightening.

Insignificant number, maybe. Not so much if one of the children shot is you niece, nephew, son or daughter. I don’t care if hoodlums and gang bangers shoot each other, but innocent kids being killed should have been a red flag long ago that we should rethink our views on just who has access to these high capacity weapons. I’m still amazed that Sandy Hook didn’t spur any changes. People really are too desensitized now.

 

[lonewolf]

any death by shooting is not insignificant, each one is a life lost.
I just think something needs to be done to stop these people who have mental health issues and hear voices telling them to kill or are unable to keep control of their feelings without resorting to shooting need to be stopped being able to purchase semi automatic weapons.

 

[user 6493]

True, there are millions of guns, and only a couple school shootings a month.,... still too many shootings.
I foresee schools being fitted with metal detectors, fences, auto lock doors, armed security guards,etc. in the future. Hell, they can’t afford school supplies now, where is the money going to come from? Not to mention going to school is going to feel like going to prison.
I still feel that there are many people out there that are intelligent and responsible enough to have AR’s. I don’t think however that they should not be mass produced and mass marketed to anyone in the general public that can afford to scrape together 500 dollars. There are too many low intelligence and unstable people out there in the general masses. I believe there should be much more stringent requirements for these. The fact that I was able to just walk into a gun store and walk out with one in 15 minutes or less, with no questioning whatsoever, and all they look for is if you have a felony or not is nuts.

no questions huh,,,,,did you fill out the paper work,,,,,did they do the call in,,,,or do you have a CCW permit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you don't just walk in and flop money on the counter and walk out,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Dani]

All of these shooters had mental health issues and that is what Trump is focusing on, which is honestly a good thing instead of having the first thing out of his mouth . . . GUN CONTROL. Just how is that working out for Mexico? Cartels have the majority of guns. No lack there, but its hard for a citizen to be able to buy one. Only one place to legally buy is What Mexico City right?

 

[Brent S]

no questions huh,,,,,did you fill out the paper work,,,,,did they do the call in,,,,or do you have a CCW permit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you don't just walk in and flop money on the counter and walk out,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I did fill out the form, yes. But it was pretty generic and would anyone actually answer yes to something like “why yes, I’m associated with bad people”, or whatever. I believe they search mostly for if you are a convicted felon. There are a lot of other factors that should be considered when allowing someone to have access to these.
You are correct, there is some checking before the sale, but my point is that it’s pretty minimal. I’m not really for banning firearms, just trying to open a discussion up about the need for some kind of changes. I really don’t know what would help and guess I’m looking for different ideas and views on what could help.

 

[user 6493]

the problem with adding new gun laws is,the numbers,,,,,the percentage of weapons used violently or in a criminal act is extremely small,and any new laws will do nothing to stop the people who do these acts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they only punish the people who will never use a weapon improperly ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW WOULD STOP MANY PEOPLE FROM OWNING A GUN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF THEY WOULD SIMPLY ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS

 

[user 6493]

I did fill out the form, yes. But it was pretty generic and would anyone actually answer yes to something like “why yes, I’m associated with bad people”, or whatever. I believe they search mostly for if you are a convicted felon. There are a lot of other factors that should be considered when allowing someone to have access to these.
You are correct, there is some checking before the sale, but my point is that it’s pretty minimal. I’m not really for banning firearms, just trying to open a discussion up about the need for some kind of changes. I really don’t know what would help and guess I’m looking for different ideas and views on what could help.

THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE,,,,,,,,,,,ENFORCE THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE

 

[DrPrepper1]

the problem with adding new gun laws is,the numbers,,,,,the percentage of weapons used violently or in a criminal act is extremely small,and any new laws will do nothing to stop the people who do these acts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they only punish the people who will never use a weapon improperly ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW WOULD STOP MANY PEOPLE FROM OWNING A GUN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF THEY WOULD SIMPLY ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS

Case in point, this guy didn’t pay attention to the no gun sign (the law) in the school.

 

[Dani]

This is FL law. It does state committed to a mental institute by a court. So even if he was commited by a court, do the two communicate?

Fla. Stat. Ann. §§ 790.065.

Upon receipt of a request for a criminal history record check, the Department of Law Enforcement shall, during the licensee’s call or by return call forthwith:

Review any records available to determine if the potential buyer or transferee:

Has been adjudicated mentally defective or has been committed to a mental institution by a court, and as a result is prohibited by state or federal law from purchasing a firearm.

Fla. Stat. Ann. § 790.06.

The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms if the applicant:

Has not been committed to a mental institution, under chapter 394 or similar laws of any other state.

 

[Maverick]

Here in Washington they do a mental health background check but it limited given there are no national registries so it only limited to the state but, also in Washington along with the mental health check is a flaw or abuse of the law such as, a family member can have your right to have firearms removed by telling the police you are unstable so don’t piss off your sibling, the police will come in remove your firearms (without due process) until a court reviews the situation.

Mental health is a broad interpretation how far do we go? A Vet has PTSD do we strip him of his rights even though he showed no outward hostility? Or if your parents put you in a psyco ward in your youth because you were rebellious even though today you have no problems and by the way that’s a mark against you in Washington that can forfeit you from owning a firearm. How about a doctor that prescribes you psyc meds for physical pains a common practice in the health care industry, in Washington anyone on psyc meds are registered under mental health, what about anxiety and taking xanax, my question is how far do we go? Where does it begin where does it end? Is it the case one pill fits all?

 

[Brent S]

Here in Washington they do a mental health background check but it limited given there are no national registries so it only limited to the state but, also in Washington along with the mental health check is a flaw or abuse of the law such as, a family member can have your right to have firearms removed by telling the police you are unstable so don’t piss off your sibling, the police will come in remove your firearms (without due process) until a court reviews the situation.

Mental health is a broad interpretation how far do we go? A Vet has PTSD do we strip him of his rights even though he showed no outward hostility? Or if your parents put you in a psyco ward in your youth because you were rebellious even though today you have no problems and by the way that’s a mark against you in Washington that can forfeit you from owning a firearm. How about a doctor that prescribes you psyc meds for physical pains a common practice in the health care industry, in Washington anyone on psyc meds are registered under mental health, what about anxiety and taking xanax, my question is how far do we go? Where does it begin where does it end? Is it the case one pill fits all?

Good points. All I’m really trying here is to get an open discussion, and hopefully some good ideas. I don’t know what we need to do about this issue, I just know doing nothing isn’t helping.

 

[dpadams6]

Insignificant number, maybe. Not so much if one of the children shot is you niece, nephew, son or daughter. I don’t care if hoodlums and gang bangers shoot each other, but innocent kids being killed should have been a red flag long ago that we should rethink our views on just who has access to these high capacity weapons. I’m still amazed that Sandy Hook didn’t spur any changes. People really are too desensitized now.

Only law abiding citizens follow the law. As long as criminals have access to ar15's (and will to the end of time)... LAW ABIDING CITIZENS MUST ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO SAME. We MUST NEVER allow criminals to control our way of LIFE.

 

[Proud Prepper]

What makes you think no one is doing anything? Dont fall for government/mass media propaganda and mind control.

 

[dpadams6]

any death by shooting is not insignificant, each one is a life lost.
I just think something needs to be done to stop these people who have mental health issues and hear voices telling them to kill or are unable to keep control of their feelings without resorting to shooting need to be stopped being able to purchase semi automatic weapons.

What if someone goes to a counselor to need minor help for, whatever reason. Do you not think that person, will then be marked and not be able to own a gun to defend their family? Perfect example is soldiers retiring from the military, who have needed some counseling in the past. Should they be denied access to guns?

 

[Mountain trapper]

I'm pretty sure that mass murder is already against the law, even in Florida. We have over 20,000+ gun laws on the books now, but a very small segment of the population violate them anyway. Who really thinks that passing any more laws are going to be any more effective in stopping evil people from doing bad things?
I hear people talking that we need to pass "common sense" gun laws. What the hell does that mean? So none of the 20,000 + gun laws contain any "common sense" laws? I also hear people talking about keeping guns away from individuals that could have a mental problem. Sounds good, but what criteria will be used? Who is going to decide who has a mental problem? Are we going to allow a physician to decide who is allowed to own a gun?
I just don't see how we can deprive anyone from their liberty without them first committing a crime.
Nobody wants to tackle the probable root causes of these types of crimes. Many people think that everything can be solved by adding another law. Or by banning a certain gun because they don't like the looks of it.
It's a much bigger problem than most people want to admit, or address, and it has nothing to do with guns. It will never be solved by passing more laws or banning any type of gun.

 

[lonewolf]

unless the US does something the school shootings will continue and children will continue to die, just because some individual has a mental health problem or is so infantile they cant control their emotions, they grab a gun and start shooting.
how do you stop that? in this country you have to have a reason for having a gun, just wanting one is not enough.

 

[Brent S]

What makes you think no one is doing anything? Dont fall for government/mass media propaganda and mind control.

What do you think anyone is doing?

 

[Brent S]

Good points on who gets to decide on what counts as a mental issue. I think everyone agrees that the Fla. shooter shouldn’t have been able to buy those guns. I think looking at therapists notes should be accessible in your records when looking to buy something like an AR. Again, I don’t have any concrete answers here either, just looking for some I guess. Either way, letting this continue is nuts. (Pun intended).