the AR 15,,,here we go

[Brent S]

unless the US does something the school shootings will continue and children will continue to die, just because some individual has a mental health problem or is so infantile they cant control their emotions, they grab a gun and start shooting.
how do you stop that? in this country you have to have a reason for having a gun, just wanting one is not enough.

Do they do a mental health evaluation there for one?

 

[lonewolf]

i can only assume they do, I have never applied for a FAC-fire arms certificate and don't intend to, I am perfectly happy with my air rifles.
brother in law has just got his, and from the wife's description of his gun I think he also has an AR15, he says the best way to fire it is by lying down, I don't see the point, he only fires it at gun club at targets and has to keep it separated when not firing it, gun in one gun safe, ammo in another and firing pin in a third.

 

[Brent S]

I looked at Australia’s rules. You can still own a gun, but it’s much more difficult and they are much smaller capacity.
And yes, their crime and homicide by gun has dropped dramatically.

 

[Brent S]

i can only assume they do, I have never applied for a FAC-fire arms certificate and don't intend to, I am perfectly happy with my air rifles.
brother in law has just got his, and from the wife's description of his gun I think he also has an AR15, he says the best way to fire it is by lying down, I don't see the point, he only fires it at gun club at targets and has to keep it separated when not firing it, gun in one gun safe, ammo in another and firing pin in a third.

Yeah, doesn’t sound like that would help much when someone is breaking into your house...

 

[lonewolf]

I really cant see the point of having an assault rifle, unless one is expecting WW3.

 

[lonewolf]

Yeah, doesn’t sound like that would help much when someone is breaking into your house...

no none at all, its not like they will stop assaulting you whilst you assemble it.

 

[Brent S]

I really cant see the point of having an assault rifle, unless one is expecting WW3.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, they are cool. They are a lot of fun to shoot, and are versatile as a defensive weapon or hunting. I genuinely love having mine. I’m just not sure about the general public having such easy access to them. I am probably leaning more towards much tighter restrictions and background checks than an outright ban on them right now, but this is why I’m participating in this discussion, to get different ideas and perspectives.

 

[lonewolf]

of course i'm talking as an outsider not living in America.

 

[Maverick]

AR 15 is NOT an assault rifle, this is where society has it wrong in general, it’s only the appearance that sets it apart from let say a Remington 81 300 savage semi-auto from the 40s and 50s, we have far more modern arms that the AR action can be compared to, so because it looks mean we are going to ban it only because some nut chose to use it? This is nothing more than putting a band-aid on the underlining problem, it’s nothing more than knee jerk feel good measure that doesn’t solve the g’damn problem .

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

Man, almost all my friends have an AR or AK, we had an AK in the house when I was a kid, I have always had several guns around the house, even when the kids were little.
It's a gun culture here in the US. And I'm not a fanatic about it, but I sure know people who are. Guys who hunt, every season, who train with AR's and take defensive pistol classes, Concealed Carry permit holders... These dudes wouldn't take kindly to THE MAN telling them they had to turn in their stuff. They would just become criminals instead, because they would have "boating accidents", or whatever.

As others have said, enforce the laws exist. If the FBI had followed through on multiple tips about the shooter, and if he had been red flagged for mental health issues at point of sale, this shooting either wouldn't have happened, or it would have been carried out differently.

 

[Dani]

"
The FBI said it received a tip last month that Cruz had a “desire to kill” and access to guns and could be plotting an attack, but agents failed to investigate. The governor called for the FBI director to resign.

A person close to Cruz called the FBI’s tip line on Jan. 5 and provided information about Cruz’s weapons and his erratic behavior, including his disturbing social media posts. The caller was concerned that Cruz could attack a school.

In a statement, the agency acknowledged that the tip should have been shared with the FBI’s Miami office and investigated, but it was not. The startling admission came as the agency was already facing criticism for its treatment of a tip about a YouTube comment posted last year. The comment posted by a “Nikolas Cruz” said, “Im going to be a professional school shooter.”

The FBI investigated the remark but did not determine who made it."

So the FBI had at least two people who called in to give their concerns about this kid that I have read. . . last Nov and then again in Jan this year. plus surely they had access to the previous calls from mother and neighbors. They should have also looked at his social media post. (Hard to believe they couldnt put two and two together) Cutting himself on Snapchat along with his other postings of dead animals and signs of animal cruelty. Signs were there people, it was just not investigated properly.

 

[Maverick]

"
The FBI said it received a tip last month that Cruz had a “desire to kill” and access to guns and could be plotting an attack, but agents failed to investigate. The governor called for the FBI director to resign.

A person close to Cruz called the FBI’s tip line on Jan. 5 and provided information about Cruz’s weapons and his erratic behavior, including his disturbing social media posts. The caller was concerned that Cruz could attack a school.

In a statement, the agency acknowledged that the tip should have been shared with the FBI’s Miami office and investigated, but it was not. The startling admission came as the agency was already facing criticism for its treatment of a tip about a YouTube comment posted last year. The comment posted by a “Nikolas Cruz” said, “Im going to be a professional school shooter.”

The FBI investigated the remark but did not determine who made it."

So the FBI had at least two people who called in to give their concerns about this kid that I have read. . . last Nov and then again in Jan this year. plus surely they had access to the previous calls from mother and neighbors. They should have also looked at his social media post. (Hard to believe they couldnt put two and two together) Cutting himself on Snapchat along with his other postings of dead animals and signs of animal cruelty. Signs were there people, it was just not investigated properly.

Not to mention the Sheriff department visited his home 39 times over 7 years

 

[user 6493]

What do you think anyone is doing?

what makes you think that no one cares,,,,,,take away the AR 15 and it will be hand guns ,then take away the hand guns and it will be semi auto shotguns,take away shotguns and then any semi auto 22 will do,,,,just how far are you willing to let the feds go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,complete disarmament

we are then at the mercy of criminals police and THE FEDS

THEN TO FEEL SAFE AT NIGHT IN YOUR BED YOU WILL HAVE TO LIVE IN A FORTIFIED BUNKER WITH BULLET PROOF BLAST DOORS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[user 6493]

Good points on who gets to decide on what counts as a mental issue. I think everyone agrees that the Fla. shooter shouldn’t have been able to buy those guns. I think looking at therapists notes should be accessible in your records when looking to buy something like an AR. Again, I don’t have any concrete answers here either, just looking for some I guess. Either way, letting this continue is nuts. (Pun intended).

the sad thing here is if he couldn't buy one he probably would have stolen a gun to use,

unless they pick the nuts up before they fall of the tree they will find a way to commit their crime

 

[lonewolf]

someone needs to up their game that's for sure, whether its the Feds or the gun store owners.
you cant buy a gun or ammo here without having the right paperwork, you have to apply for the fire arms certificate first and state what gun you want before you buy it.

 

[user 6493]

someone needs to up their game that's for sure, whether its the Feds or the gun store owners.
you cant buy a gun or ammo here without having the right paperwork, you have to apply for the fire arms certificate first and state what gun you want before you buy it.

you are in the UK,,,am I right,,,,,,,just how is being dictated to working out for you,,,,as I see it not very well

 

[lonewolf]

you are in the UK,,,am I right,,,,,,,just how is being dictated to working out for you,,,,as I see it not very well

at least we don't have 18 nutters with guns shooting up schools, all within less than 3 months.
if I wanted a gun I could apply for a FAC-just like my brother in law just did- but I don't want to.

 

[user 6493]

at least we don't have 18 nutters with guns shooting up schools, all within less than 3 months.
if I wanted a gun I could apply for a FAC-just like my brother in law just did- but I don't want to.

,,,read your own news

Here is a list of some major terrorist attacks and attempted terror plots going back to 1996:

2017: 19 June

A group of Muslim worshippers were hit when a van mounted the pavement and drove into them in Finsbury Park. The attack happened during the holy month of Ramadan after 00:00 BST, when many people were in the area attending evening prayers. One man, who had fallen ill before the attack, died and nine other people were treated in hospital. A 47-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences.

2017: 3 June

An attack in London left seven people dead and 48 injured. A white van hit pedestrians on London Bridge before three men got out of the vehicle and began stabbing people in nearby Borough Market. The suspects were shot dead by police minutes later.

2017: 22 May

An attack in Manchester left 22 people dead and 59 injured after a male suicide bomber targeted children and young adults at the end of a concert at the Manchester Arena by US singer Ariana Grande. The bomber, Salman Ramadan Abedi, 22, was born in Manchester to Libyan parents.

2017: 22 March

Six people, including the attacker, died and 50 people were injured in a terror attack near the Houses of Parliament. Khalid Masood mounted the pavement in a hired car and drove into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge. He then ran towards Parliament and stabbed a police officer to death before being shot dead by officers.

2016: 16 June

Thomas Mair shot and stabbed to death Labour MP Jo Cox in Birstall, West Yorkshire. Mair, who accessed extremist websites and was an avid reader of far-right literature, shouted: "Britain first," in the attack. He was given a whole life sentence for the murder.

2015: 5 December

A man attacked Tube passengers with a knife at Leytonstone station in east London. Muhiddin Mire shouted: "This is for my Syrian brothers, I'm going to spill your blood," before he was finally subdued. Mire, who had a history of mental illness, was jailed for life. The judge at his trial said he had been driven by "Islamic extremism".

2013: 22 May

British soldier Lee Rigby was murdered in Woolwich, south-east London by Islamic extremists Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale. The men drove into Fusilier Rigby with a car before attacking him with a knife. Adebolajo was given a whole-life term and Adebowale was jailed for a minimum of 45 years.

2008: 22 May

A failed suicide nail-bomb attack occurred at the Giraffe restaurant in Exeter. Nicky Reilly - a Muslim convert - was the only person injured when the homemade device went off in his hands in the restaurant's toilets. Reilly was found dead in Manchester prison in 2016.

2007: 30 June

A Jeep was driven into the main terminal building at Glasgow Airport in an attempted suicide attack. Five people were hurt. One of the perpetrators, Kafeel Ahmed, died about a month later from severe burns sustained in the crash. The other, Bilal Abdullah - an Iraqi-born doctor - was sentenced to a minimum of 32 years in prison.

2007: 29 June

Two car bombs were discovered and disabled in London's West End. The first was left near the Tiger Tiger nightclub - police sources said it would have caused "carnage" if it had exploded. The second was found in a Mercedes after it was given a parking ticket in Cockspur Street and towed to Park Lane.

2005: 21 July

Four attempted bombings took place exactly two weeks after the 7 July blasts. As with the previous plot, the attacks targeted the public transport system - but the devices failed to explode. In July 2007, four men were each sentenced to life imprisonment.

2005: 7 July

Co-ordinated suicide bombings targeted London's public transport systemduring the morning rush hour. Three bombs exploded on separate underground trains and a fourth exploded on a double-decker bus. It was the worst terror attack since the Lockerbie bombing in 1988 and left 52 victims dead and 700 injuries.

2001: 3 August

A car bomb planted by the Real IRA exploded around midnight in Ealing Broadway. Seven people were injured.

2001: 4 March

The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside BBC Television Centre in west London. The police received a warning shortly before the blast, and one London Underground worker suffered deep cuts to his eye from flying glass.

1999: 17-30 April

David Copeland carried out a 13-day nail bombing campaign that left three people dead and 139 injured in London. The hate-crime killings separately targeted the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities in attacks in Brixton, Brick Lane, and Soho.

1996: 15 June

A lorry carrying 1,500kg of explosives blew up in Manchester city centre. One of the biggest bombs the IRA detonated on the British mainland, it caused massive damage to the Arndale shopping centre and other buildings within a half mile radius. Nobody died but 212 people were injured.

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[user 6493]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/official-figures-show-biggest-rise-crime-in-a-decade

 

[user 6493]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/27/violent-rising-england-wales-police-figures-ons

 

[user 6493]

hell I googled it 222 million results,,,take a look at all of it ,,if I was to add a link to every piece I would die before I could get it done,,,so look and pick your favorite

UKhttps://www.google.com/search?q=violence+in+the+UK&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS752US752&oq=violence+in+the+UK&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.10617j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[lonewolf]

I don't really take much notice of "official" figures, they are usually wrong and skewered towards one political side or another.
there was a surge in knife crime, so they banned certain types of knives and knives over a certain length, then they had a knife amnesty, but do you think the criminals and the gangs handed in their knives? of course not it was all the law abiding people who dutifully went down and handed in their knives, ditto when they had a gun amnesty.

 

[user 6493]

at least we don't have 18 nutters with guns shooting up schools, all within less than 3 months.
if I wanted a gun I could apply for a FAC-just like my brother in law just did- but I don't want to.

if I was you with this much crap going on in my own country,,,I would worry about my own home before I started talking **** about the USA,,,,,,,,you might consider trying that

 

[user 6493]

I don't really take much notice of "official" figures, they are usually wrong and skewered towards one political side or another.
there was a surge in knife crime, so they banned certain types of knives and knives over a certain length, then they had a knife amnesty, but do you think the criminals and the gangs handed in their knives? of course not it was all the law abiding people who dutifully went down and handed in their knives, ditto when they had a gun amnesty.

yeah the sheep,,,hello sheep

 

[lonewolf]

don't get your knickers in a twist cousin I was only stating an opinion, its your young people getting killed, I wouldn't live in a city these days if you paid me.
I guess no country in the western world is ever 100% safe these days, too many people and they've all got attitude.

 

[user 6493]

don't get your knickers in a twist cousin I was only stating an opinion, its your young people getting killed, I wouldn't live in a city these days if you paid me.
I guess no country in the western world is ever 100% safe these days, too many people and they've all got attitude.

that is cute,,,,now you are backing up,,,you don't like your own dirt being thrown in your face do you


y

 

[user 6493]

people who live in glass houses should not throw rocks

and I am not your cousin

 

[lonewolf]

I don't know what the answer is to violent crime, I suppose human beings are the one animal that preys on its own species.

 

[lonewolf]

of course they could take away all the guns and all the knives, one day that may happen if the sheeple and the politicians have their way, then we'll all be back to throwing rocks at each other!!!

 

[lonewolf]

I see there's been a shooting in Russia now.