Thoughts on human euthanasia....

[Pearl]

This came up in a conversation I had with an older lady who lost her sister in law to kidney failure very recently. The sister in law said she wished she could be put to sleep like her cat when it was old and ill! Very sad, this woman suffered horribly at the end! Just curious about everyone's thoughts and opinions on this subject!! Should we be able to euthanize people if they are suffering and it is their wish??

 

[Snowman]

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-Kevorkian :

Jack Kevorkian (born May 26, 1928, Pontiac, Michigan, U.S.—died June 3, 2011, Royal Oak, Michigan) was an American physician who gained international attention through his assistance in the suicides of more than 100 patients, many of whom were terminally ill.

 

[Amish Heart]

Nope. Not ok.

 

[Binky]

Should we be able to euthanize people if they are suffering and it is their wish??

Yes. Here it is called MAiD - short for Medical Assistance in Dying and at the following link is the explanation for how it works in Canada and what rules and regulations are in place strictly for the protection of the person who is asking for MAiD. In Canada it is illegal for anyone to suggest to anyone that they could or should apply for MAiD, and nobody else in the person's family can make decisions on behalf of the person requesting it. The decision and request absolutely MUST be made by a person of sound mind who is wanting assistance in dying.

I approve of MAiD and feel everyone should be able to make such a decision for theirself.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/.../end-of-life-care/medical-assistance-in-dying

 

[TENNGRIZZ]

It depends on if they are uniparty deep state turd eaters. etc.

 

[Amish Heart]

I think it's murder. The argument is that they're in pain. Give them pain meds then. The other argument is that they are old and sick and take up resources. Too bad.

 

[Supervisor42]

This came up in a conversation I had with an older lady who lost her sister in law to kidney failure very recently. The sister in law said she wished she could be put to sleep like her cat when it was old and ill! Very sad, this woman suffered horribly at the end! Just curious about everyone's thoughts and opinions on this subject!! Should we be able to euthanize people if they are suffering and it is their wish??

I agree.
Ain't nothing worse than when you are terminal and they make you suffer on for months, just to bleed money out of you.
Everybody should have a key to the "exit-door".
We have to separate 'us being able to have people euthanized', from 'people being able to choose euthanasia', for this discussion.
Many are ready to jump on the bandwagon screaming: "This is legalized Murder!"...
When it is actually about being humane and letting someone end their own suffering.

 

[Magus]

If I'm in agony and I'll never be getting better, I'd praise whoever gave me the kill shot to god when or if I see her... Him?.. it? N/M Jesus! That works. I don't get along with Anubis, Long story.
I'm not above doing it myself, but that's not good. At any rate, I should be able to request the big dose if I'm wrecked for good and go on, my only hiccup is I HAVE TO ASK! Don't put me out if I can't say to, I might have a bucket list!

 

[sonya123]

I think it would be ok if the person no longer can off themselves ( like is stuck in a hospital bed and can't go anywhere). Otherwise, they can do it themselves. Maybe a pill they can get ?
I would not want to be the doctor that kills people, but I would be ok with making it possible for them to do it themselves
If it was me, I would just shoot myself, or go hike up the mountain in winter with a bottle of vodka and not come back

 

[Mountain trapper]

No. I think it's the same as suicide. In my opinion both are wrong.

 

[M0del_31]

I think it should be legal. It is not something I can support based on religious reasons. On the religious side, neither the thought or action is reconcilable with scripture. Cannot legislate morality though. As for the means, if someone is in pain and is pain medicated to death vs given heart stopping drugs, I think that is a distinction without a difference. It already happens everyday. Having made everything illegal doesn't change man's heart. However, I am given pause on the topic considering how often culture and media attempt to fool the weak in mind and spirit and would encourage people to their demise before their time.

 

[Pearl]

I think it would be ok if the person no longer can off themselves ( like is stuck in a hospital bed and can't go anywhere). Otherwise, they can do it themselves. Maybe a pill they can get ?
I would not want to be the doctor that kills people, but I would be ok with making it possible for them to do it themselves
If it was me, I would just shoot myself, or go hike up the mountain in winter with a bottle of vodka and not come back

I think it's ok if it's something the person requests, like a DNR (do not resuscitate)! There would have to be a doctor who is ok with doing it! I wouldn't want to be the vet who euthanizes animals that are savable. I knew taking my Sammy cat that night that he was not going to be able to overcome his issues and he was old! He lived longer and healthier than expected! When he could no longer breathe I knew I was doing the right thing! If that was an option for a loved one in that situation and it was a legal option I would do it if they previously requested it!

 

[Tirediron]

Nope. Not ok.

Why cause who ever wrote the bible said you shouldn't. I really DO NOT understan why people are so Against putting someone out of their misery, we do it for animals, why not humans.

 

[Amish Heart]

Why cause who ever wrote the bible said you shouldn't. I really DO NOT understan why people are so Against putting someone out of their misery, we do it for animals, why not humans.

I would not be able to murder someone. Sorry. If they were in pain, I'd get them pain meds. And yes, I believe what's written in the Bible.
I can see you have a differing opinion and that's ok. It's not my opinion.

 

[havasu]

This topic hits home very close to me. Nobody likes to see anyone/anything suffer, but it is unlawful to aid or assist someone near death.

About 10 years ago, my G/F's 93 year old mother was dying from advanced Alzheimer's. We were only allowed to provide small doses of Morphine to her daily, while letting the guy "upstairs" decide what day would be her death date.

Well, this lady must have had a very strong heart, and although she had not had liquids or foods for 14 days, she continued to live. Her limbs turned black, and were rotting off of her live body. Although she was in an assisted living facility, we were ordered to drop the temperature in her into the mid 50 degree mark, and also ordered to bring in multiple bags of cat litter to place under her bed to absorb the smells of death.

Yes, on day # 14, her heart gave out. I stayed in that room continuously for all 14 days, only to go home, shower and come back.

This was the cruelest thing I have ever seen, and it totally destroyed her family. Nobody should have to watch their mother suffer silently until death.

 

[Ekatarina]

No. If you say you would like it... then they can kill you if you are rich $
and try to get your money $ before they do the execution

For me its a no way. I will die when I will die.

 

[Haertig]

I have my personal convictions of what I consider right and wrong. What I consider is God's plan and what I consider adverse to God's will.

But I would not force another person to submit to my convictions. FWIW, my conviction on forcing a conviction on others - is that such force is wrong itself. This is against what is taught in my religion BTW. The force option presides there, although every thing is done to disguise it as not being force. It's not truly force, more like mental coercion I'd say.

 

[Ekatarina]

No. If you say you would like it... then they can kill you if you are rich $
and try to get your money $ before they do the execution

For me its a no way. I will die when I will die.

This is why its IMPORTANT to get your Official Will
done Officially with a Lawyer or Notary

And *keep private* what you ask to put in your Will
and whom the beneficiary will be even if there is more than 1

Just my way of thinking

 

[Morgan101]

If we have the right to live with dignity and respect then we should also have the right to die with dignity and respect. Havasu tells a very compelling story where his loved one had to deal with untold horrors. I don't know if there is anything worse than watching a loved one deteriorate, especially when they are in severe pain, and not be able to do anything about it.

From what Binky posted, Canada may be way ahead of us on this issue, and have put things in place to protect the patient. Differentiating between those who are suffering and looking for a solution and those who just want Grandma's money, but don't want to wait is a very serious issue.

 

[RJ2019]

I believe in quality of life and therefore believe in letting people go if and when they are suffering and they want to go. I think the ideals that society has around such can be quite ridiculous. People consider it their duty to put suffering animals out of their misery, but will turn right around and watch great uncle Tom suffer for months until the very last second.

 

[Patchouli]

As I watched my mother decline rapidly, she was at the worst pain she’d ever experienced. She refused pain meds until the nurse and I talked her into it. Mostly, after that, she began letting go. This was at her own home. She stopped responding but still seemed to be aware of us. She died 3 days after we started hospice.
It was explained to me that drugs allow the person to stop fighting it. Takes them just past the fight, into submission. I don’t know if that’s true but it seemed like it in both cases.
There were too many drugs hospice had me giving to my husband. Upon researching the drugs two had a side effect of death. What? I stopped those drugs and told the hospice staff. Didn’t get much of a response from them on that. No argument. It seemed like they were trying to speed things along.

Neither of them wanted to die. Grieving their own loss was hard to watch and feel. It is not for us to decide when someone else’s time is up but I understand that if a person is suffering horribly why loved ones would feel it a responsibility to end it.

 

[Supervisor42]

I think it should be legal. It is not something I can support based on religious reasons. On the religious side, neither the thought or action is reconcilable with scripture. Cannot legislate morality though. As for the means, if someone is in pain and is pain medicated to death vs given heart stopping drugs, I think that is a distinction without a difference. It already happens everyday. Having made everything illegal doesn't change man's heart. However, I am given pause on the topic considering how often culture and media attempt to fool the weak in mind and spirit and would encourage people to their demise before their time.

Oh, it has been legal in Alabama for decades. It is called 'Hospice'.
And they are very good at what they do.
When somebody is sent home to die, they are called in.
And it's not 'physician assisted' suicide either, because no doctor is involved, just RN's.
When they show up, they say: "Call all the family in to say goodbye, because he only has 2-3 days left".
They are correct.
No painful shots either! Just drops into the mouth from a medicine-dropper.
Say goodbye to brother.

I too would gladly choose that path to the 'Exit Door'.

 

[Ekatarina]

My mother had cancer therapies. She did not want to stay at Hospital
My mother had lung cancer and died at home in her bedroom on her bed.

My father did hire a nurse that was coming everyday to see/help my mother
and my father brother was a Dr he was coming often to help see my mother

The last week of her life she had to be on morphine everyday she was suffering too much
I was laying on her bed by her side close to her and she suddenly acted weirdly
mumbling something and showing the wall pointing her finger ...there was nothing on the wall
Then family came in the bedroom and she did passed away..I remember like if it was yesterday

I did love my mother and father very much
I know its very sad when we loose a loved one

 

[Ekatarina]

I remember the date, the hour, and temperature outside
when my mother passed.....
Oct 6th at 2.30 pm and it was mild outside

 

[Mountain trapper]

My grandfather was in extreme pain from the cancer that was eating up his spine and insides. He was on a morphine drip 24 hours a day. He moaned and cried day and night. Right up to the moment he died he continued to say that he wasn't ready for death. He never once asked someone to take his life. I know that he wouldn't have wanted anyone to have to live with that.

 

[Amish Heart]

I sat with mom while she passed. It's a hard thing to sit with someone you love when they die.

 

[Tim Horton]

Yes. Here it is called MAiD - short for Medical Assistance in Dying and at the following link is the explanation for how it works in Canada

I approve of MAiD and feel everyone should be able to make such a decision for their self.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/.../end-of-life-care/medical-assistance-in-dying

I think it's murder. The argument is that they're in pain. Give them pain meds then. The other argument is that they are old and sick and take up resources. Too bad.

Personally.... Having lost my father, 2 grandfathers, 2 father in laws, a brother in law, nephew, and a best friend that could have avoided a lot of suffering, I can't, won't deny the choice to anyone with limited options.. I've seen too many people suffer needlessly..

Unfortunately, to someone in major untreatable pain, pain meds means a pain med induced coma with the quality of life as a carrot.. Would anyone want to see a loved one in a morphine coma for ...comfort... for 8-10 weeks before they pass ??

Unless you have been MAJOR hurt, shot, or other issues in life threatening issues most people don't know what real ..make you pass out pain.. is.. Not fun..

It is a tough decision in a tough circumstance, but life in general is tough..

My 5 cents of opinion..

 

[montanabill]

Hospitals sometimes make lots of money during the last couple of months of life....My wife and I have an agreement that we will not let each other suffer during our last days....
Unfortunately my wife was very sick during covid so they tried to do all the covid crap to her like remdesivir....They were just about to intubate her but a friend in the medical field just happened to come on duty and saved her life.. She is still alive today and enjoying life.
The hospital was trying to get her to sign a full code and then changed to a no code.....when it was all said and done they dismissed all fees and charges , 18 doctors consulting, 4 days in intensive care and two days in step down.....As her friend stopped the meds in the intensive care the first thing she told the crazy docs was that she had done consulting work with one of the areas top lawyers who sues hospitals.....
OK so beware the medical profession.....
The book canticle for liebowitz has something to say about life at any cost to the suffering..
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=final+exit&crid=3JEJ78DKKRWAD&sprefix=final+exit,aps,158&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

 

[Haertig]

Hospice never gave any drugs to my mom. They acquired a great hospital-like bed for her so her head and/or feet could be raised. Different people came to visit a couple of times a day - religious, sociologists, personal care, nurses. They would talk to my mom, sing to her, read books to her. This was a Godsend because this was during the height of covid and family was not allowed into care facilities. We could only do Zoom meetings, phone calls, and tap on her window and wave while standing outside. We we finally allowed in on the day that mom died. and we were with her when she did.

You go on hospice because you are expected to die soon. They stop treating the underlying disease and concentrate on pain relief and comfort. e.g., if the person is having a bad day and family panics and sends them to the E.R., medical insurance probably will not pay for that visit and the person is taken off hospice. You either get treatment, or you get hospice. You can't have both. You can tell the hospice people that you want off of hospice and desire medical treatment again. And you are instantly switched back to that (your medical insurance goes back to paying doctors, but no longer pays hospice). You can even do this notification as you're running out the door to go to the E.R. At least that's how it works here in Colorado. This was all explained to us very clearly when we were investigating putting my mom on hospice. Which was suggested by her doctor and a second doctor reviewed my moms records and concurred.

My mom died of Alzheimers, so there was no pain involved. And it is hit or miss guessing how long a person will last in the end stages of this disease. But her doctor nailed the timeframe, so did the caregivers at the memory unit she was living in, and so did the hospice staff. They did not give mom any drugs, so they didn't "make their predictions come true". They got it spot on based only on their knowledge and experience. They told us when there were only a few days left. Spot on again.

I have nothing but respect for hospice, given our experience.

 

[Pearl]

I remember the date, the hour, and temperature outside
when my mother passed.....
Oct 6th at 2.30 pm and it was mild outside

I remember all that too with my Mom's passing 18 years ago!