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I put the 55 gallon new water barrels in my basement.. They cost $100 here where I pick them up and bring them home...
I have the camper 12 volt water pump to pressurize the house for a while....then the simple solar pump that will work in my well to refill the barrels...
My roof catchment is only good for about 1000 gallons a year....when the snow melts.

As far as the cold keeping the riff raff out, take away the government handouts and get rid of the drug importers and the cold will finish off some of the rest..

Not too many tent cities where I am but folks are putting wood stoves in campers and motorhomes....

As far as gardening after the fall, we have some rich lowlands adjacent to lakes and rivers that will be useable....with 24 hour guard..
 
I can pick up 55g plastic barrels for $5-20 each. IBC 25-75.
I get $50 IBC’s at very sketchy “natural insecticide bottling facility” You can buy their product at any home improvement store.
Sketchy because behind locked gates and you would see people scattering like cockroaches if you yelled immigration.
Buy them there, because they held a blend of cinnamon, peppermint and other natural oils blend is pretty nontoxic. Smell pretty good as I am rinsing them out too.
 
Biggest issue with full IBC tanks, tractor FEL can’t lift them. About half full is the max and you better have some weight on the back of the tractor on uneven ground. Math wise 1200lb loader would lift 144g of water.
Not sure what kind of tractor you have but have you considered pallet forks on the 3-point instead of the FEL? My tractor can lift more off the 3PH than the FEL. tractordata.com can tell you the 3PH and FEL lift capabilities for your tractor.

Oh, and you can fill your FEL bucket with dirt or whatever for a counterweight.
 
Mental preparation on making very Cold , Hard Brutal decisions that by modern post Vietnam Standards will seem most uncivilized.
Read "one second after" for a story about those kind of decisions....
I maintain there will have to be a division of responsibilities between the camp and nurturing and the war chief.... Decisions will have to be made in a split second.
 
Not sure what kind of tractor you have but have you considered pallet forks on the 3-point instead of the FEL? My tractor can lift more off the 3PH than the FEL. tractordata.com can tell you the 3PH and FEL lift capabilities for your tractor.

Oh, and you can fill your FEL bucket with dirt or whatever for a counterweight.

You are correct that the 3pt can lift 2x the loader. But you loose the tilt to place tanks on uneven ground and the lift height to place tank higher to get gravity feed (I have 1 on a stack of pallets)
The strongest 3pt fork I came across were rated for 2000lbs. That’s 240g of water
 
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One gallon of water weighs 8.3 pounds . That likely means toting enough water to keep a family survivable for much of a distance is not practical . I hope everyone already has their outhouse built . To flush a conventional toilet once will mean about 30 pounds of weight flushed down the toilet . -- On hand I have my outhouse as well as a solid rubber tire cart with a board already cut and waiting to be used when the time arrives to fit into my cart providing a flooring for my water jugs , I have two 6 gallon containers that will fit into the cart , for fetching water from the spring or creek . That is near 100 pounds of water per trip .
Three gallons is 24 pound in my toilet & a dry toilet is the cleanest & quickest way to change over & it needs no water, just sawdust and /or high scented oils from plants.
The compost should be spread on the pasture, not the perennial vegetables.
You can do the dig a hole & cover like a cat in summer, but it gets cold & windy behind the barn in winter.
 
If things get tough the real people have more persistence...Call it what you want, I kind of like the term self reliant.

I prep for short term winter power or water outages by having many many garbage bags.. Line the toilet bowl with two layers and use till full then take outside and stack till spring,,
If it doesn't look good the outhouse gets activated for the hardy souls.

Just don't try to heat up the outhouse by throwing some burning newspaper down the hole.......there have been instances of the methane collecting then lighting off.
Could be a urban legend but wow if it did happen.....
 
If things get tough the real people have more persistence...Call it what you want, I kind of like the term self reliant.

I prep for short term winter power or water outages by having many many garbage bags.. Line the toilet bowl with two layers and use till full then take outside and stack till spring,,
If it doesn't look good the outhouse gets activated for the hardy souls.

Just don't try to heat up the outhouse by throwing some burning newspaper down the hole.......there have been instances of the methane collecting then lighting off.
Could be a urban legend but wow if it did happen.....
There may be some validity to that thought.

I was told I could not have a toilet in the same room as a service entrance due to trap going dry and methane escaping.

Ben
 
Fun thread! I thought I was going to get to use my ignore button again... but it looks like the troll waddled off.

Not much to add, everyone has their own ideas and levels of prepping/surviving. We have people in Houston still that get mad after days notice of a hurricane, when the power goes out and they can't go to Jack in the Box for food because there is no power to run their card.

Fortunately we live way out from Houston and most of our closest neighbors are of some level of like mindedness.

We have water nailed down, we've "prepped" and mostly, at this point, play games of survival. What do we do if ...

Garden, chickens, meat, hunting, protection.. .. much like everyone else
 
With a 600 square foot house or a 23' motorhome... direct plumbing is a plus. Probably a bigger plus with 1,400+ properties.
I figure when the SHTF, the use of indoor plumbing will be a thing of the past unless you have solar to run pumps and wells. And even solar doesn't last forever.

Like many, we'll be able to flush toilets with a bucket of water because our septic system is 100% gravity. With that said, we still have an outhouse, too, just in case.
 
I was told I could not have a toilet in the same room as a service entrance due to trap going dry and methane escaping.

Ben
I never heard of that. One of our toilets are about 8 feet from our back service door to our mudroom. We spent 11 weeks on a driving trip to Alaska last summer and the water in that toilet was almost at the same level as when we left.
 
I never heard of that. One of our toilets are about 8 feet from our back service door to our mudroom. We spent 11 weeks on a driving trip to Alaska last summer and the water in that toilet was almost at the same level as when we left.
In door plumbing was an update to this place. It had one toilet located in the basement. Not bathroom mind you. Just a toilet in the corner.

When I updated my service entrance from 60A to 200A the electrician told me the toilet would fail the the electrical inspection.

Ben
 
With a 600 square foot house or a 23' motorhome... direct plumbing is a plus. Probably a bigger plus with 1,400+ properties.
I have had the 23 ft trailer and the 600 sq ft cabin.....(you got me there OldSchool) now living in about 2600 sq feet with gravity flow septic tank..
A out house is the first thing to slap together after things crash but having something inside for the old or sick will be nice when the temps are low and the wind is blowing.. Or the bad people are around.
Easy enough to keep something in the toilet trap to control fumes..
 
I live on a bIG lake, i bought a LARGE BERKEY water filter system just to have if water coop stops, also just invested in whole house generator system!
Brother you have an almost endless supply in your area of the state. As long as you have extra BERKEY filters you will be golden if things get bad.
 
I figure when the SHTF, the use of indoor plumbing will be a thing of the past unless you have solar to run pumps and wells. And even solar doesn't last forever.

Like many, we'll be able to flush toilets with a bucket of water because our septic system is 100% gravity. With that said, we still have an outhouse, too, just in case.
with only the two of us, our waste post SHTF can be composted and reused as mulch.
 
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This image is great! I consider myself a hybrid of the two: food storage and bags of gear in kit form.

I keep thinking about the levels of preparedness.

5 Levels of Preparedness

Level 0 Every Emergency is a Disaster

Less than 2 weeks of food in the home

No water purification system

No bug out bag

No defensive weapons

No way to produce their own food

No physical gold or silver

No tangible assets to barter


Level 1 Can survive two weeks of Minor Emergency (such as ice storm)

Have sufficient water and food for two weeks of emergency

Able to heat house for two weeks without relying on the power grid by use of the power grid

Able to cook their meals for two weeks without relying on the power grid

Has a first aid kit

Likely has no defensive weapons

Must leave their home after two weeks due to lack of preparation


Level 2: Can Survive One Month of an Emergency (such as major hurricane)

Likely has a portable power generator and sufficient fuel for one month of operation

Has handguns or shotgun to defend their home

Has a month’s work of canned goods to eat from

Has sufficient prescription medicines for 30 days

Has enough batteries for power a portable radio for 30 days


Level 3: Can Survive Three Months of an Emergency (such as martial law or impacting earthquake)


Has a deep-short term pantry

Likely has a water purification system

Likely has defensive weapon for each family member

Likely has some type of neighborhood safety watch or 24 hour security watch rotation at the home

Has stocked wood to burn in fireplace and/or iron stove

Has communication gear to keep track of local and world events

Has means to recharge batteries without relying on power grid

Has three months of prescription medications


Level 4: Can Survive One Year of an Emergency (such as currency devaluation, economic depression)


Has a deep short- and long-term food pantry

Likely has their own garden to produce food

Likely has small-sized farm animals to produce protein (chickens, goats, rabbits)

Has a deep supply of ammo (2000+ rounds per weapon)

Has a spare weapon in event of damage

Has mean to produce herbal medicines to replace prescriptions

Has a long-term store of antibiotics

Likely has dog for security watch

Has full 24 hour rotation of security watch on the home (requires 6 adults)

Show have secondary off-site storage of food, weapons, and ammo

Is ready to bug-out with full hiking and camping gear, if security situation degrades

Is able to educate their children at home


Level 5: Can Survive Indefinitely from Home during an multi-year SHTF or TEOTWAWKI situation


Has a fully functioning large garden or small farm for food production

Is able to can and store the results of food harvest for the coming year

Is able to harvest seeds for next year’s planting

Is able to raise multiple generations of farm animals (cattle, sheep, horses)

Has horses for local and distance travel

Has enough ammo to last a generation (10,000+ rounds per weapon)

Has spares of each weapon and lots of extra magazines

Able to generate their own fuel (bio-diesel, alcohol)

Likely has fully functional solar power bank with deep storage batteries

Has natural on-site water sources for farm and home

Has home-based business to generate income

Is able to build new building and make any necessary repairs to existing buildings

Is able to provide excess food for charity

Has a secondary residency (such as mountain cabin) for full bug-out

Is prepared for minor surgery and child birth at home

Has stores of gold and silver for barter

Is able to produce their clothing (from raw wool or raw cotton with spinning wheel and small loom)
 
The above post is well thought out and seems reasonable to me . - Maybe or maybe not our members would like to post their preparedness level as indicated by the chart . -- While I don't have everything mentioned on " level five " consider myself solid in that category . -- I don't have a horse but don't know why I would even want to travel very for as in such a situation as there will not likely be any stores and all my immediate family are on my survival grounds . Walking will easily get me to any conceivable destination . -- I have no gold or silver for bartering but can't conceive of having any need to barter . -- As for as giving away free food , that could possibly happen but if I do that will simply be surplus food and not any charity built into my planning , I guess I will be that " as- hole " that refuses to give away free stuff . -- As for as making my own fuel for a motorized vehicle , Why would I even want to do that . I have no need to go anywhere . Plus that likely means even more farming such as growing large acreage of grain to convert to fuel .
 
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I keep thinking about the levels of preparedness.

5 Levels of Preparedness
What a great quiz!

Let's see.
One month of food in the fridge, three months+ of canned stuff.
Two Berkey filters and a deep well.
I have little "kits" everywhere.
A generator is on my major need-to-replace list! (Damn meth heads! :mad: )
All my weapons were lost in the great burrito rebellion of 03'
Ammo? I doubt making it through the first fire fight, if I do, the losers will have ammo.
Capable of growing a garden if I must.
No farm critters here, just a cat.
Plenty of meds on hand.
A little silver, bills got the rest early on.
Security system? I listen for the screams when they find my little pranks.
So I'm guessing between a 3 and 4?
 
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@Weedygarden - EXCELLENT list and post. Saved it. I'd realistically put us at level 3 with most elements of 4, excepting the three really important ones, ability to garden and raise animals (Thumper the cat doesn't count) and replace prescriptions.

I think you should copy your post into a new thread where people could compare their levels.
 
This image is great! I consider myself a hybrid of the two: food storage and bags of gear in kit form.

I keep thinking about the levels of preparedness.

5 Levels of Preparedness

Level 0 Every Emergency is a Disaster

Less than 2 weeks of food in the home

No water purification system

No bug out bag

No defensive weapons

No way to produce their own food

No physical gold or silver

No tangible assets to barter


Level 1 Can survive two weeks of Minor Emergency (such as ice storm)

Have sufficient water and food for two weeks of emergency

Able to heat house for two weeks without relying on the power grid by use of the power grid

Able to cook their meals for two weeks without relying on the power grid

Has a first aid kit

Likely has no defensive weapons

Must leave their home after two weeks due to lack of preparation


Level 2: Can Survive One Month of an Emergency (such as major hurricane)

Likely has a portable power generator and sufficient fuel for one month of operation

Has handguns or shotgun to defend their home

Has a month’s work of canned goods to eat from

Has sufficient prescription medicines for 30 days

Has enough batteries for power a portable radio for 30 days


Level 3: Can Survive Three Months of an Emergency (such as martial law or impacting earthquake)


Has a deep-short term pantry

Likely has a water purification system

Likely has defensive weapon for each family member

Likely has some type of neighborhood safety watch or 24 hour security watch rotation at the home

Has stocked wood to burn in fireplace and/or iron stove

Has communication gear to keep track of local and world events

Has means to recharge batteries without relying on power grid

Has three months of prescription medications


Level 4: Can Survive One Year of an Emergency (such as currency devaluation, economic depression)


Has a deep short- and long-term food pantry

Likely has their own garden to produce food

Likely has small-sized farm animals to produce protein (chickens, goats, rabbits)

Has a deep supply of ammo (2000+ rounds per weapon)

Has a spare weapon in event of damage

Has mean to produce herbal medicines to replace prescriptions

Has a long-term store of antibiotics

Likely has dog for security watch

Has full 24 hour rotation of security watch on the home (requires 6 adults)

Show have secondary off-site storage of food, weapons, and ammo

Is ready to bug-out with full hiking and camping gear, if security situation degrades

Is able to educate their children at home


Level 5: Can Survive Indefinitely from Home during an multi-year SHTF or TEOTWAWKI situation


Has a fully functioning large garden or small farm for food production

Is able to can and store the results of food harvest for the coming year

Is able to harvest seeds for next year’s planting

Is able to raise multiple generations of farm animals (cattle, sheep, horses)

Has horses for local and distance travel

Has enough ammo to last a generation (10,000+ rounds per weapon)

Has spares of each weapon and lots of extra magazines

Able to generate their own fuel (bio-diesel, alcohol)

Likely has fully functional solar power bank with deep storage batteries

Has natural on-site water sources for farm and home

Has home-based business to generate income

Is able to build new building and make any necessary repairs to existing buildings

Is able to provide excess food for charity

Has a secondary residency (such as mountain cabin) for full bug-out

Is prepared for minor surgery and child birth at home

Has stores of gold and silver for barter

Is able to produce their clothing (from raw wool or raw cotton with spinning wheel and small loom)
And level 0 is a burden on family and society
 
@Weedygarden - EXCELLENT list and post. Saved it. I'd realistically put us at level 3 with most elements of 4, excepting the three really important ones, ability to garden and raise animals (Thumper the cat doesn't count) and replace prescriptions.

I think you should copy your post into a new thread where people could compare their levels.
There is a thread just about that. I posted it many years ago, back in our old place, and I thought I had posted it here, but couldn't find it, so I posted it again. There is some good discussion on that thread about preparedness.

https://www.homesteadingforum.org/threads/levels-of-preparedness-take-2.7443/
 
@Weedygarden - EXCELLENT list and post. Saved it. I'd realistically put us at level 3 with most elements of 4, excepting the three really important ones, ability to garden and raise animals (Thumper the cat doesn't count) and replace prescriptions.

I think you should copy your post into a new thread where people could compare their levels.
Helly yeah! and I vote the admins sticky it for the noobs!
 

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