A possible greater threat than gun grabbing

[BillMasen]

Take your green vehicle and drive it up your exhaust!

Hear Hear, before the ban hits hear I intend to buy a brand new bloody diesel vehicle and I'll make sure i get at least 15 years out of it. We ALL have to fight this ecoinsanity and socialism.

 

[Dracos]

Well, they're going to get away with taking your cars away in Europe because no one can really own a gun there without a hassle, and they've convinced your people that guns are bad and always kill people.
It's not going to happen in the US anytime soon, because first they'll have to take away all guns, then they can take away all the cars. If they take away guns, there will absolutely be a division of states, and then there will be a civil war. I do believe there will be higher prices on guns and ammo (already is), and higher prices on cars, too. The red states will have to put their foot down and build their own cars. And not electric ones. Those are stupid.
So, regarding rifles in London....I can go to the rifle store and buy one and buy some ammo, bring it home and keep it in my bedroom near my bed, and if some bad guy breaks in, I can shoot him? If he yells, I'm coming in to kill you, I can shoot him? If he has a knife, do I have to drop the rifle and go find a knife like his, then I can defend myself? Or is my rifle not kept in my home, but only at the local gun club somewhere out of the city where I can only remove it for hunting? Or can I keep it at home, but only locked up in a safe with a gun lock on the gun, so I have to remember my combo and be government inspected? You know, guns rights in our country "shall not be infringed". Idiots like those in Chicago that get shot rolled over for their local liberal government. Not going to happen in most of America.
California, New Mexico, New York, Minnesota, Oregon, Illinois, Washington..... they can roll over all they want. They are the brokest, most violent, most liberal states we have. They do have pockets of normal human beings out of the cities, though. All governments are going to get away with whatever they think they can get away with.
Do not comply. Our rights were given to us by God, not by our government. Texas will now attest to electric cars are a total sham. They couldn't charge them, couldn't drive them. Agenda 21 Agenda 2030 is alive and well and is being instituted in Europe. You couldn't pay me to be there.

In Montana if someone breaks into your house and you feel threatened. They give up all their rights. even their right to life.

 

[Dracos]

Just imagined what would happen in Switzerland if i try to safe my properties with an gun... LMAO
Threat of a thief with a weapon - fines or jail. With an loaded weapon or not registeret one the fine would be higher or your time-out in jail a lot longer.
Blessing an thief in any case, not matter if it's with an weapon or you knock him out - fines or jail plus you're invitet to pay curing coasts and compensation.
Kill an thief and you will stay for a few years in the jail.

The only we can do is running away and calling the police. They will comes if the danger is over and they collected enough speeding tickets (less work and more money).

Call the police here and they may show up in an hour or two.

 

[Amish Heart]

There's a sheriff around here somewhere, but I don't know how long it'd take. People take care of themselves.

 

[Kevin L]

I think that the controversy about greenhouse gasses from motor vehicles will soon be a moot point.

Porsche is working on manufacturing synthetic gasoline from things like algae, bacteria, and so forth. This technology has existed since before WWII, but the only problem is that gasolibe from crude oil is cheaper.

What needs to happen is that the process is made cheaper than crude oil, and then everyone can have their cake and eat it too (except for the oil company people who will be out of a job).

This synthetic gasoline will even be better for most engines, as there are less impurities to gunk up the engine . . . so, theoretically, cars will require less maintenence.

I'm all for this, if only so we can tell the middle east where they can stick their oil, and cut off the profits that they use to finance terrorism.

Things like this are done now, as the Chinese tallow tree can be used to profitably manufacture biological diesel fuel. The tallow tree is an invasive species in the USA, as 40% of the trees around Houston, Texas, are Chinese tallow trees.

 

[Dracos]

It the kind of liberal and "don't hurt anyones unicorn" politics which we have in Europe and which you're able to enjoy with your new president...
Well, i'm swiss and i'm living in Switzerland - for me it's the right country even i disagree with a lot of things. Until now i can handle it, if i can't handle it anymore then i would choose another place to stay.

Thank you for the education. I learned or was taught that the Swiss were the bastion of freedom in Europe.
Fiercely independent, never surrendered. Great skiing. Great place to stash cash. At least one thing I am learning from this website is many things that I thought were true, are not.

 

[Amish Heart]

I believed the same about Switzerland. And I believed that everyone could keep their nice military rifle in their home after their service. (for home defense)

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Call the police here and they may show up in an hour or two.

Other place, same habits

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Thank you for the education. I learned or was taught that the Swiss were the bastion of freedom in Europe.
Fiercely independent, never surrendered. Great skiing. Great place to stash cash. At least one thing I am learning from this website is many things that I thought were true, are not.

Compared with other european countries we're still little bit more free. But we're having an internal dispute you will not read about somewhere really. Our federal council would like to become an member of the EU - but not the citizens. So they try to please the EU whenever it's possible. Otherwise the EU gives a lot of pressure to our country which brings us at the end to the point our government toke over a lot of EU-laws. About all the corona restrictions we have and the way how our federal council is acting and deciding the parliament started to discuss an way how the council can be replaced with an kind of impeachment. Until now it wasn't possible, once they were elected for 4 years they stay.
We swiss didn't forgot about our history, especially in the mountains. But the whole corona crisis showed up where our internal problems are and many citizens realised they are bigger than aspected and my meaning is there will come a few changes in future. Hopefully in the good way. But Switzerland is still an relative secure country and except a few places in the big cities you still can go out at nighttime without having fear to be an victims of criminals.
As we swiss still keep our hands in our pockets and complaining it's all fine. But you need to take care if we stop complaining. And when we're taking our hands out of the pockets then you better hide - then we go and grab our pitchforks to clean up

 

[lonewolf]

Call the police here and they may show up in an hour or two.

call the Police here and they MAY turn up in an hour or two, or maybe it will be tomorrow or 36 hours later, but mostly they wont turn up at all.
if you've been burgled here but the criminal has left you just get a crime number for your insurance company.

 

[BillMasen]

Phone the police here and they will give you a crime number for your insurance company in most crimes, they dont even turn out for .......

Attempted Burglary
Burglary
Shop lifting
Theft of vehicle'
Theft from vehicle
Theft from Gardens
Theft from sheds
Theft from Garages
Theft from Green houses
Theft from Workshops
Vanadalism
Grafitti
Non violent Trespass
Fly Tipping
Anti Social Behaviour
Fraud
Online Fraud
etc etc

but say something politically incorrect, phobic or potentially racist or sexist and they come for you.

 

[BillMasen]

it's a shame when the criminals have more protection under the law than the honest man.........you are living in the wrong country

In New York they are freeing muggers, knife attackers, sex assaulters without bail. HOPEFULLY it will stay like that and not spread, The dude arrested for attacking elderly asians has been released on bail.

 

[Mountain trapper]

We dont have a full blown gun ban, Hand guns are banned, Rifles and Shotguns are not, in the UK people shoot from .22LR to 50 cal, though I think people are steered towards bolt or lever action guns rather than semi autos. You have to apply and have good reason to own a rifle, hunting, sports, target and pest control OK, Self Defence NO. Anyone with no criminal record can apply for a shotgun certificate , They are now limited to two rounds now I think, there is millions of shotguns and many hundreds of thousands of rifles in the UK.

Gun crime is on the increase in the Uk rising roughly 20% a year, latest figures for UK 2019 show 33 people killed with a gun out of 70 million people. So if the UK had the same sized population of the US we would have had around 132 gun deaths in the UK. Gun crime rises in UK in last year with more than 9,700 cases reported

Gun deaths in USA 2019 were 15,292 gun deaths Excluding Suicides Gun Deaths Inched Up in 2019

For sure our cultures are different but none the less the US is a far more dangerous place than the UK.

Come on Bill. The US is a big country. Don't use a few cities as an example. Its like saying all of the UK is like London. The vast majority of the US has very little crime.

 

[Amish Heart]

People were shocked around here when someone broke into someone's shed a few years ago. That's about it. Turned out it was a drifter of some sort.

 

[lonewolf]

the worst we ever had here was when someone ripped the local ATM out of the bank wall during the early hours, that was about 8 years ago, and that was outsiders from the Midlands, nothing remotely like that since, its very quiet here normally.
BTW the ATM and the local Bank Branch no longer exist.

 

[BillMasen]

Come on Bill. The US is a big country. Don't use a few cities as an example. Its like saying all of the UK is like London. The vast majority of the US has very little crime.

Ah yes my bad I was SUPPOSED to reflect how its got established in those once great cities and NEVER a slur on the United States, PLEASE guys an unequivical apology from me for not reading what I wrote properly.

 

[lonewolf]

most crime is going to be in cities because of the number of potential victims.
I have no idea why our (then) local bank branch was targeted, especially by some bad lads from the Midlands, very out of the way place, maybe thats why. was sort of exciting for people living in town when it happened, nothing like it since.

 

[user 6493]

In New York they are freeing muggers, knife attackers, sex assaulters without bail. HOPEFULLY it will stay like that and not spread, The dude arrested for attacking elderly asians has been released on bail.

more raving,,,,,, are you out of your meds

 

[lonewolf]

more raving,,,,,, are you out of your meds

HAHAHAHA!

 

[Amish Heart]

Preppers should not be anywhere near those cities

 

[Dave2001]

I am starting to think that there MAY be an even greater possible threat to our rights, freedoms and liberties than gun grabbing and gun bans. I'm reading more and more about lefties, greens and their totalitarian chums. and that is PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF VEHICLES. All of those opposed to our current ways of life are moving in the same direction, Trying to force us out of our own vehicles and onto public transport / home deliveries.

Be they greens, envirnomentalists, socialists , you name them they have differing reasons but the same demands, BAN GASOLINE AND DIESEL vehicles on public hands, if you must be motorised then its massively expensive electricity powered cars of very limited utility, and many lefties believe that THEY should decide if YOU need a vehicle just like they did in the old USSR.

It is clear that some if not many players in this campaign like AOCs gang who openly state that liesure air travel and private cars should be banned, they CLAIM it is for ENVIRONMENTAL reasons but I firmly believe it is for CONTROL reasons ( they who control Transport and Logistics and Utilities control the people).

It wont be overnight we all know the left are patient and determined, but I believe a greater or at least as great a threat to our freedoms and rights is our ability to move and travel freely at our own will without regulation or control. listening to many of the Greenies and Lefties its clear they care NOTHING about damage to individuals or national economics, concerns dismissing warnings and concerns with promises of green related jobs to replace those lost.

Sounds communist to me!!!

 

[Schattentarn]

Oh yeah, single family homes, privately owned vehicles, privately owned guns, living beyond the suburbs------ARE SO RACIST!!!

 

[Schattentarn]

Yes if you live in london or anywhere else you can own a gun or shotgun providing its for sport, pest control, hunting, etc so long as you have somewhere to legally shoot it.

Yes you can use PROPORTIONAL force to protect yourself, if you catch a burglar you cannot execute him if he flees ( like much of the US)

Sorry Hun but your tyranical government is in the whitehouse now and your guns were no use. AOC and Kamala Harris have already said they will if neccessary use Executive orders after 100 days to start reigning in gun owners, They probably wont succeed but it wont stop them trying to criminalise law abiding citizens. They will go after your guns and vehicles by guile not direct confrontation, EG the Loony left in New York is currently trying to destroy the NRA in assorted legal cases, No case to answer but that never stops them trying just like Trumps impeachment frame up, no case to answer but it did not stop them. DC protestors we exactly that but the left deems them Donestic terrorists and is going after them, again totallky unjust charges but it doesnt stop the left.

Yes we can carry knives, and if we are attacked by someone also using a knife we can fight back.

I dont know where many americans get their facts from the amount of BS at times is unbelievable, I have carried one since I was 15, so has my wife.

I do not think it is possible to ban guns by executive order. That is a right spelled out in the Constitution. If Traitor Joe or Horizontal Harris ever tried this they would be sued immediately--and we all have standing so the Court of Cowards would have to hear it.

 

[Amish Heart]

It would start a civil war. There aren't enough door to door guys to enforce it, and we've already seen the "turn in your guns for cash" fail. A friend of ours in New Mexico stood outside when they had these and offered people cash to buy guns that looked good. He'd give them more than the turn in price the police were giving out. And they didnt care that our friend was doing this, as long as he stayed on the sidewalk. He asked first. But anyway, hardly anyone does this.

 

[Dracos]

Phone the police here and they will give you a crime number for your insurance company in most crimes, they dont even turn out for .......

Attempted Burglary
Burglary
Shop lifting
Theft of vehicle'
Theft from vehicle
Theft from Gardens
Theft from sheds
Theft from Garages
Theft from Green houses
Theft from Workshops
Vanadalism
Grafitti
Non violent Trespass
Fly Tipping
Anti Social Behaviour
Fraud
Online Fraud
etc etc

but say something politically incorrect, phobic or potentially racist or sexist and they come for you.

What are jails for?

Phone the police here and they will give you a crime number for your insurance company in most crimes, they dont even turn out for .......

Attempted Burglary
Burglary
Shop lifting
Theft of vehicle'
Theft from vehicle
Theft from Gardens
Theft from sheds
Theft from Garages
Theft from Green houses
Theft from Workshops
Vanadalism
Grafitti
Non violent Trespass
Fly Tipping
Anti Social Behaviour
Fraud
Online Fraud
etc etc

but say something politically incorrect, phobic or potentially racist or sexist and they come for you.

Wow, try most of those things here and you can march them down to the police station. Or drive since that would take a day. Say,"I caught this perp doing such and such and demand he be arrested." In a week you will get a blurb in the local newspaper saying. "Armed citizen helps police catch criminal." That's why we have such a very low crime rate here.

 

[BillMasen]

more raving,,,,,, are you out of your meds

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-sparks-outrage-after-freeing-alleged-cop-attackerCopkiller freed

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-bail-laws-tiffany-harrisAfter a hate crime suspect was arrested for the third time in one week and released without bail

https://www.foxnews.com/us/bail-ref...eets-within-hours-threatening-public-securityBail reform laws let alleged criminals back on the streets within hours, threatening public security

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-man-arrested-3-times-1-day-bail-reform-lawNew York man arrested 3 times in one day

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-bail-reform-under-fire-amid-wave-of-anti-semitic-attacks Tiffany Harris was arrested for allegedly attacking three Jewish women in Brooklyn on Dec. 27. With New York City adopting the new bail reform policies before they even officially became law, Harris was released without bail on Saturday, arrested for another alleged assault on Sunday and released again. This time, Harris was ordered to meet with a social worker, which led to her third arrest on Tuesday, after she allegedly pinched the social worker during the session

 

[BillMasen]

more raving,,,,,, are you out of your meds

Try not to be an ******* all your life.

 

[BillMasen]

Sounds communist to me!!!

We call the Green environmentalists WATER MELONS, because they are green on the outside but red in the middle.

 

[BillMasen]

I do not think it is possible to ban guns by executive order. That is a right spelled out in the Constitution. If Traitor Joe or Horizontal Harris ever tried this they would be sued immediately--and we all have standing so the Court of Cowards would have to hear it.

I certainly hope so, I'm not to familiiar with your legal system, but Kamala Harris said she would use Exec Orders to start on guns

"
Harris: I'll give Congress 100 days to pass gun laws
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) pledged that, if elected president, she would take executive action to enact sweeping gun control measures if Congress fails to send comprehensive legislation to her desk in her first 100 days.
Source: CNN


https://edition.cnn.com/videos/poli...ongress-gun-control-schools-town-hall-vpx.cnn

 

[user 6493]

Try not to be an ******* all your life.

,you don't live in the USA yet you think it's your duty to talk **** about the USA,,,why don't you try talking about the **** hole you live in for a while