What's everybody doing today?

[MoBookworm1957]

Sitting here reading forums.
Sipping coffee.
It's a bit of challenge with eye patch on then new prescription readers.
But the eye patch is only for a few days.
They corrected my left lens problem yesterday.
It had slipped when I sneezed.
And no I don't sneeze lady like and dainty.
Only dainty thing about is my shoe size big kid size 4 or 4.5.
Just ate the last of the homemade, hand size pot pies I made up last summer.
So will have fix another beef roast with all the vegetables to make up more of those.
Slept for 6 hours after I got home from Doctor's appointment.
Dishes, maybe laundry, nap.

 

[Tommyice]

Could it be that we as parents or society
Are failing the youth? Kids are not kids anymore they have no social skills and have no idea how to cope with in a group they can only cope if looking a a computer screen with out any idea of how to communicate.
Parents are not parents and a cell phone raises the kids
No wonder they are wacko

This one is hard for me Frodo. I have never had children, so I’m unsure how to answer these questions. I can only base my opinions and thoughts on my experiences. I’m out of school 40 years. I come from a time when a student could speak to a teacher in a room with the door closed and there were no questions. A time when a teacher would’ve gotten involved in their own way but then also would have had the thought to contact a parent and speak to the parents about it. I do have friends and family that are teachers, and they say the parents expect them to raise their children because they are too busy.

I don’t know what the answer is. I can see that society as a whole has stopped worrying about each other, and looking out for each other. But then no one is taught how to anymore. Children imitate their parents to a degree.

 

[snappy1]

Sitting here reading forums.

So nice to see you!

Walked first thing, this morning.
Had a fellow come over to discuss redoing our driveway.
Walked dogs.
Gave bigger dog a bath. Glad that is done.
Washing sheets, comforters and dog blankets.
I am done and it is about to start storming, so will be shutting down lap top soon!

 

[Frodo]

This one is hard for me Frodo. I have never had children, so I’m unsure how to answer these questions. I can only base my opinions and thoughts on my experiences. I’m out of school 40 years. I come from a time when a student could speak to a teacher in a room with the door closed and there were no questions. A time when a teacher would’ve gotten involved in their own way but then also would have had the thought to contact a parent and speak to the parents about it. I do have friends and family that are teachers, and they say the parents expect them to raise their children because they are too busy.

I don’t know what the answer is. I can see that society as a whole has stopped worrying about each other, and looking out for each other. But then no one is taught how to anymore. Children imitate their parents to a degree.

What I see is children being neglected emotionally by parents who use the excuse I am to busy
If you are too busy then where do you find the time to face book or. Talk on forums such as this one? No because being to busy is an excuse for not being a parent
If a child is raised by the village then that child is not being home trained is not being taught values let’s be real here. When a neighborhood kid is being an ass I do not teach them anything . I run them off simple because that kid is not my responsibility and I am not going deal with it.
Same as a teacher. They are underpaid to teach they are not paid to be your nanny
A teacher sees your kid for only one or 2 hours a day (7-12 grade). How the hell are they going to teach your kid anything?
A kid in grade school is in a class of 30 how in hell do you expect that teacher to teach above and beyond the curriculum to 30 damn kids every day. Welcome back kotter was not real life it was a tv show
Parents not accepting responsibility frustrates me.

 

[Bacpacker]

Gotta work this weekend, so cut out at noon today. Mid 40s here but nice and sunny. I'm sitting on the porch with the pup in my lap waiting on the wife to get home.

 

[hashbrown]

I was burning brush piles before the sun came up. It snowed a couple of inches this morning and it’s mostly gone now.

 

[Amish Heart]

We ended up with four inches of snow. On our dirt roads, it gets to be a challenge. Went to the bigger town for husband's eye appt, then on to Walgreens for his prescriptions. But the pharmacist did not come to work today, so the pharmacy was closed.

 

[Neb]

Checked out ok by Dr. Just my normal blood pressure meds. He recommended an over the counter cream for the muscle pain.

That is the kind of Dr visits I like!

Ben

 

[Weedygarden]

From what my nieces kid tells me about todays high school. Ignoring the bullying is a normal practice
Teachers will tell you quick that raising your kid is your job and not theirs
That if the bullying is not happening in front of the teacher there is nothing they can do. What will people say if a teacher takes the word of one kid over the word of another? They (teacher). Are caught in a catch 22

Truth! It is truly a challenge. I am so glad to be retired! And teachers hands are tied more and more.

What I would do when I was still teaching was to ask who saw what. The truth always came out. There are children who realize that they have to do their bullying away from the eyes and ears of the teachers.

 

[sonya123]

so I booked tickets from DC to Dublin Ireland...but it appears we will have to swim the rest of the way since I can't manage to book tickets on Ryanair from there to Germany....I can't seem to get the site to work to set up an account. There are plenty seats left but not working. I hope it's their website and will work tomorrow or maybe Monday
Will call my brother tomorrow to see if he knows what the problem could be, he has flown with them before I think

Called dad, he is sending me some funds for the tickets, so no problems there. But as usual, always a problem with the @##$@##!!! tickets, every time. There is always something. The worst was showing up at the airport in Orlando to fly to Italy and being told "your tickets are no good you cannot get on this flight" Alitalia, the worst airline in history....

 

[sonya123]

Truth! It is truly a challenge. I am so glad to be retired! And teachers hands are tied more and more.

What I would do when I was still teaching was to ask who saw what. The truth always came out. There are children who realize that they have to do their bullying away from the eyes and ears of the teachers.

when I was a kid, I beat up the bullies. Now, I would probably get in trouble for that. Bullies liked to pick on my then "little" brother , I had to beat up a few. Then there was one that would run around during recess and just smack the girls. I tipped his chair over in class afterwards and hit his head on the wall...oh my, good thing he didn't have a concussion....

 

[kenv1950]

Truth! It is truly a challenge. I am so glad to be retired! And teachers hands are tied more and more.

What I would do when I was still teaching was to ask who saw what. The truth always came out. There are children who realize that they have to do their bullying away from the eyes and ears of the teachers.

The teachers where I am are there for their state check and the rest are far left libs. I did work in a state college for 10yrs. and there is no discipline .
The college news at one point and still does shows how many drug and violence arrest would show only 2 . (thats for the parents , just in my dorm there would be at least 2 over doses each week and students destroying the dorms almost every day.NO alcohol ! There would be a pickup truck load of beers cans and liquor bottles . THERE IS NO DISOPLINE IN SCHOOLS TODAY . To many wokes running things. We had three presidents while I was there and all fired for misappropriation of funds and buying drugs on the internet . THERE THE ROLL MODELS ! BRING BACK DISOPLINE

 

[Frodo]

when I was a kid, I beat up the bullies. Now, I would probably get in trouble for that. Bullies liked to pick on my then "little" brother , I had to beat up a few. Then there was one that would run around during recess and just smack the girls. I tipped his chair over in class afterwards and hit his head on the wall...oh my, good thing he didn't have a concussion....

Good on you, I believe a parent should back a kid who is defending them selves or others from a bully 100%
The parent should go to the school and raise hell and reward the child for defending them selves

 

[LadyLocust]

A busy day! Walked down to the river this morning. We got to see a morsel of sunshine. Don’t worry, it didn’t stick around long. Cooked 3 different meats - enough for 3 quiche. Ran some errands, came back and made 1 quiche right in time for niece to arrive . Had a nice visit - she’s getting married this year so exciting time for her.

 

[Spikedriver]

Hey Spikedriver,
Let’s discuss whose responsibility is it to
Monitor a students behavior.
Is it the teachers?
I say YES, when the student is in his/her class it is most definitely their responsibility
But what about the other 8 hours of the day or online?
In my opinion that is not a teachers job that is the parents job
I say get rid of the damn cell phones and 99% of the bullying will come to a screeching halt
Or am I being naive?

I don't know if getting kids off their phones and social media would stop 99% of it, but it would help a lot!

I think that dealing with bullying is everyone's problem. Not just parents, not just teachers, not just the kids. Schools do have a responsibility for what happens on school time. They can't deal with what they don't know about though, just like parents.

When I was in junior high, a big kid in the grade above me started picking on me pretty bad. I took it for a while, and then when he was trying to do whatever to me, I lipped off to him. When he came at me I hit him with a push kick right to the nuts. That happened in front of a crowd in the hallway. No teachers saw it, and I got the hell out of there. After last hour when I was in line for the bus, he absolutely blasted me. I never saw it coming, and he had a running start for a shoulder check that a hockey player would have been proud of. When he hit me, I think my soul left my body for a minute! He had to save face after that nut kick in front of the crowd. But after that he found somebody else to pick on. Adults kind of looked the other way back then so nobody got in trouble. Nowadays I would've been suspended and had counseling and anger management and probably would get sued by the bully's parents...

 

[Weedygarden]

THERE IS NO DISOPLINE IN SCHOOLS TODAY . To many wokes running things. We had three presidents while I was there and all fired for misappropriation of funds and buying drugs on the internet .BRING BACK DISOPLINE

It is not allowed!
I had a student who would run from school when he was frustrated or upset. I mostly kept the doors to the classroom closed. Our school was on a busy road. After I retired, I was telling a man who works with some of the most severe special needs middle school children. I told him that I would just stand in the door, blocking this kid from leaving. Man told me that it was absolutely not allowed. If a kid wants to run, you cannot stop them in anyway. Okay, if the kid runs out and into the street and gets hit, who is liable?

 

[Frodo]

I don't know if getting kids off their phones and social media would stop 99% of it, but it would help a lot!

I think that dealing with bullying is everyone's problem. Not just parents, not just teachers, not just the kids. Schools do have a responsibility for what happens on school time. They can't deal with what they don't know about though, just like parents.

When I was in junior high, a big kid in the grade above me started picking on me pretty bad. I took it for a while, and then when he was trying to do whatever to me, I lipped off to him. When he came at me I hit him with a push kick right to the nuts. That happened in front of a crowd in the hallway. No teachers saw it, and I got the hell out of there. After last hour when I was in line for the bus, he absolutely blasted me. I never saw it coming, and he had a running start for a shoulder check that a hockey player would have been proud of. When he hit me, I think my soul left my body for a minute! He had to save face after that nut kick in front of the crowd. But after that he found somebody else to pick on. Adults kind of looked the other way back then so nobody got in trouble. Nowadays I would've been suspended and had counseling and anger management and probably would get sued by the bully's parents...

My parents were military, I moved every 2 years,
You know how it is when a new kid shows up, every one tried to teach me to conform and take my place in the pecking order
I was not having it
I have always been Independent and that is how I roll
School bully would approach me and start his crap in the seventh grade I picked up my 10 speed bike and beat a bully with it. Tossed it on him then jumped up and down on it. Problem solved, I was labeled to crazy to mess with
9th grade. I carried a bike chain in the sleeve of my jacket bully started his junk and ate a master lock, I was hauled away by a teacher kicking and screaming. Again. To crazy to mess with
11 grade. Fist fight on the buss that spilled out onto the parking lot, we both gave as good as we got
Again whisper rumors do not mess with the new kid
I was a long haired hippy that did not believe in non violence and that was to my advantage, they did not expect the fury that was unleashed. I played the crazy card on purpose, because I was scared I was alone, no one had my back
You are correct I. That today you would get in trouble, that is where a parent that believes in you comes into play

 

[kenv1950]

It is not allowed!
I had a student who would run from school when he was frustrated or upset. I mostly kept the doors to the classroom closed. Our school was on a busy road. After I retired, I was telling a man who works with some of the most severe special needs middle school children. I told him that I would just stand in the door, blocking this kid from leaving. Man told me that it was absolutely not allowed. If a kid wants to run, you cannot stop them in anyway. Okay, if the kid runs out and into the street and gets hit, who is liable?

I know your hands are tied but who tied them ? (My SIL is a special education teacher )

 

[Frodo]

It is not allowed!
I had a student who would run from school when he was frustrated or upset. I mostly kept the doors to the classroom closed. Our school was on a busy road. After I retired, I was telling wa man who works with some of the most wer foralivebeingis gromsevere special needs middle school children. I told him that I would just stand in the door, blocking this kid from leaving. Man told me that it was absolutely not allowed. If a kid wants to run, you cannot stop them in anyway. Okay, if the kid runs out and into the street and gets hit, who is liable?

Ok I will bite
I am not a lawyer. I have no degree in law
My answer is from life experience
Is there a fence around the property?
A fence would be “do diligence “ the school is acting in a manner to keep the child safe from harm
A special needs person has the same civil rights as any other person and can leave when they wish to leave

 

[Haertig]

Okay, if the kid runs out and into the street and gets hit, who is liable?

The janitor, probably. Anyone BUT the people who made the rule that said you couldn't stop the kid for his own safety. They always exempt themselves from liability due to their poor decisions.

 

[Frodo]

The janitor, probably. Anyone BUT the people who made the rule that said you couldn't stop the kid for his own safety. They always exempt themselves from liability due to their poor decisions.

I see your point.
Can we look at this from a different angle?
Kid runs out if the class room after being told repeatedly to stay in his seat and study whatever. Because of fire and safety egress laws the door can not be locked
So at this point whose fault is it the kid left the building?
A teacher can not chain the kid to wall
The teacher can not beat the kid into submission
If a kid does not want to be in the class room you can not force them to stay
Example
Weedygarden wants to go to the movies with spikedriver.
I want weedy garden to stay in the store and listen to educational tapes
Can I force weedy to stay?

I can ask and she can deny my request

The school does have a legal obligation to keep children safe from harm. Up to a point. You can not harm a child and say you are doing it to keep the child safe from harm
I watched law and order one time so I know what I am talking about

 

[Pearl]

Up a little too early, will start a load of laundry! Took Bear outside, beautiful sky and moon this morning! Hubby and I are making a Sam's Club run, and run a few errands this morning. Plenty to do around the place this afternoon.

 

[Mountain trapper]

Up at 2.30. Our German Shorthair woke me up just to come out in the living room with him. He does this every morning.
We're not getting any snow yet, but the wind is starting blow. Got a little more work to do on the snowblower this morning after feeding and watering the animals.

 

[Pearl]

Up at 2.30. Our German Shorthair woke me up just to come out in the living room with him. He does this every morning.
We're not getting any snow yet, but the wind is starting blow. Got a little more work to do on the snowblower this morning after feeding and watering the animals.

You have one of those early morning German dogs too!!

 

[Mountain trapper]

You have one of those early morning German dogs too!!

I don't get it. He sleeps in our bedroom until about 1.30 to 2.30, then wakes me up me to come out to the living room to stoke the fire then sleep on the couch. He then goes to sleep in front of the wood stove. He's always cold. Weird dog.

 

[UrbanHunter]

Went for a little walk (~2 miles) yesterday in new boots... Then sat quietly in a tree for a few hours till after sunset. Last night I was up all night with charlie horses from (the deeep south) in both legs (thighs and calf's). OMG! I was squirming like a worm on a hook! First time the dang things came on was around mid-night, then again about 02:00. This morning I'm tired, achy, and walking like Grandpa McCoy.

I was planning on going for another walk today, but I don't think its a good idea as we are expecting snow switching over to cold rain.. I think I will help the wife make potato leek soup instead...

 

[Tommyice]

I see your point.
Can we look at this from a different angle?
Kid runs out if the class room after being told repeatedly to stay in his seat and study whatever. Because of fire and safety egress laws the door can not be locked
So at this point whose fault is it the kid left the building?
A teacher can not chain the kid to wall
The teacher can not beat the kid into submission
If a kid does not want to be in the class room you can not force them to stay
Example
Weedygarden wants to go to the movies with spikedriver.
I want weedy garden to stay in the store and listen to educational tapes
Can I force weedy to stay?

I can ask and she can deny my request

The school does have a legal obligation to keep children safe from harm. Up to a point. You can not harm a child and say you are doing it to keep the child safe from harm
I watched law and order one time so I know what I am talking about

The difference in your example is Weedy is an adult. The child in the classroom is a minor. Minors do not have the same rights as an adult. A special needs child, depending upon their need, may not have the cerebral fortitude to make a decision about safety vs what they want at that moment.

My opinion is almost everything in life starts at home. If parents aren't concerned with what the child is doing while under their roof, they'll never be concerned with what that child is experiencing outside the home. I was blessed to be raised by two parents who didn't smother me but taught me right from wrong, taught me to respect. I was also raised on a property that housed my grandmother, aunt, uncle and cousins right next door to me. I was just as afraid getting caught doing something wrong by my aunt and uncle and grandmother as I was my parents.

What I also see around me now are parents who want to be their child's friend and not their parent.

 

[Tommyice]

I don't get it. He sleeps in our bedroom until about 1.30 to 2.30, then wakes me up me to come out to the living room to stoke the fire then sleep on the couch. He then goes to sleep in front of the wood stove. He's always cold. Weird dog.

Our last GSP would get under the blankets to sleep with you. Sucked when he got too hot and decided to get off the bed and take ALL of the blankets with him.

 

[Tommyice]

Getting ready to go next door to Dad's to stuff and put a 22 pound turkey in the oven. The last of the cousins I don't get to see over the holiday season always come up from South Jersey for New Year's the week after. I'm making enough so that everyone gets leftovers. It's also my Thanksgiving with them because I'm thankful to have them. She was one of the cousins that lived next door. We are more like sisters.

 

[dademoss]

A quiet Saturday, cartoons and watching the snow fall.