priorities & value in hypothetical SHTF scenario

[toexist]

the only thing people have over a dog is 4 fingers and a thumb

And the ability to speak.

 

[user 6493]

You're preaching to the choir as it relates to dogs. I'm referring to the case of a unlikely catastrophic life-changing event.

SO AM I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF I HAVE TO CHOSE BETWEEN A DOG AND A PERSON I BARELY KNOW OR JUST MET,,,I AM TAKING THE DOG EVERTIME

 

[user 6493]

And the ability to speak.

listening to someone whine is not a plus in my books,,,,and you can tell what a dog is thinking it is all body language with them

 

[toexist]

SO AM I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF I HAVE TO CHOSE BETWEEN A DOG AND A PERSON I BARELY KNOW OR JUST MET,,,I AM TAKING THE DOG EVERTIME

As long as you can take care of it and keep it safe...I see nothing wrong with that.

As a child I used to have a German Shepherd. I wouldn't mind having another.

 

[user 6493]

don't get me wrong I like people and in 60 yrs I have only met 2 I could not get along with,groups have their place in the military you are dumped in and have to trust the other guy but I have found that many are more than a little crazy,in life I pick and chose who I associate with,the list is short

 

[toexist]

don't get me wrong I like people and in 60 yrs I have only met 2 I could not get along with,groups have their place in the military you are dumped in and have to trust the other guy but I have found that many are more than a little crazy,in life I pick and chose who I associate with,the list is short

I'm with you. I think you may have misunderstood my post. I was pointing out that what caused most people to break down and quit (on the Alone series) was being alone. These people didn't have the option to have a dog with them. They were dropped off in wilderness and completely alone...hence the title lmfao.

I was merely pointing out that having a dog isn't really being alone.

 

[user 6493]

I'm with you. I think you may have misunderstood my post. I was pointing out that what caused most people to break down and quit (on the Alone series) was being alone. These people didn't have the option to have a dog with them. They were dropped off in wilderness and completely alone...hence the title lmfao.

I was merely pointing out that having a dog isn't really being alone.

come on now,you are never alone unless you are on a dessert,,,,,,,there is life all around you everyday

 

[Maverick]

I was never raised in the city nor suburbs, my wife is the only one that was. We get to many city folks up here in the back country that's about as dumb as plug nickel, they come out here animal watching, mushroom picking, huckleberry picking even camping they end up sick lost or dead. Being from the city isn't advantage out here nor will street smarts saves one ass. If one can't read the weather, terrain, vegetation, compass/map and animal habitat they have no business being out here, books will only scratch the surface and in many cases get one in trouble. I don't find nothing appealing about cities, urban and suburban areas.

People have their own dynamics regarding comfort zone, I can comfortably sustain myself with what nature provides I can't see a concrete jungle providing life sustainment necessities without big government bringing in that sustainment. If the grid goes down long term it wouldn't be a life changing experience up here, we will carry on as we normally would do with only a few changes. Much of what we done here has nothing to do with the so called preppers movement or so called modern day preppers, it has more to do with it being a way of life nothing more nothing less.

 

[toexist]

I was never raised in the city nor suburbs, my wife is the only one that was. We get to many city folks up here in the back country that's about as dumb as plug nickel, they come out here animal watching, mushroom picking, huckleberry picking even camping they end up sick lost or dead. Being from the city isn't advantage out here nor will street smarts saves one ass. If one can't read the weather, terrain, vegetation, compass/map and animal habitat they have no business being out here, books will only scratch the surface and in many cases get one in trouble. I don't find nothing appealing about cities, urban and suburban areas.

People have their own dynamics regarding comfort zone, I can comfortably sustain myself with what nature provides I can't see a concrete jungle providing life sustainment necessities without big government bringing in that sustainment. If the grid goes down long term it wouldn't be a life changing experience up here, we will carry on as we normally would do with only a few changes. Much of what we done here has nothing to do with the so called preppers movement or so called modern day preppers, it has more to do with it being a way of life nothing more nothing less.

Your assessment of "city folk" is not universally accurate. That'd be like me basing my view of rural folks on a few stupid hillbillies I've encountered.

You have stupid people by you and I have stupid people by me. I've learned that even a stupid person knows certain things you dont. In the city we interact with far more people on a regular basis. Because of this you have to learn to read people a lot better or you'll find yourself big trouble. There are definitely advantages on both fronts.

 

[lonewolf]

And the ability to speak.

dogs can speak too, you just have to know how to read the signs, my old terrier knew how to communicate, wise old dog that, very sadly missed. and i'd rate her more highly than any human on the planet.

 

[Billy Roper]

there you go again, with that yoo-hoo I want to be leader crap.
people will have to survive on their own merits, it wont be safe to go out and find a group to join, not until the die off is over and the dust has settled, that may be many months depending on where one is.

There you go again, with that, waaa waaa, I'm afraid to meet people crap. ;-> LOL. That's why I recommend that people network NOW, and not wait until TSHTF.

 

[Maverick]

Your assessment of "city folk" is not universally accurate. That'd be like me basing my view of rural folks on a few stupid hillbillies I've encountered.

You have stupid people by you and I have stupid people by me. I've learned that even a stupid person knows certain things you dont. In the city we interact with far more people on a regular basis. Because of this you have to learn to read people a lot better or you'll find yourself big trouble. There are definitely advantages on both fronts.

I don't know stupid people around me in fact they not very close at all, most are older and or ex Military that don't handle being around the masses. In my years of being with USFS Enforcement and Washington State game Department as a Warden I learned to read people very well.

We don't have hillbillies here sadly, though we do have some that move out in the rural areas trying to set up drug labs but they are taken out pretty fast. When I guided students from Washington State University and the USGS (how I met my Wife) I wasn't very impressed, book smart yes and very knowledgeable in technology but no scruples in following written advice thus a reason no cotton (we have an o'l saying, cotton kills!) Point is, it's the most simplest things that would get most people in trouble.

Another thing for most people including preppers they rely too much on technology such the GPS, The GPS has become the norm in navigation! The majority of people don't realize the DOD controls the GPS signals, once a EMP or a systematic cyber attack on the US the GPS signals or switched to secured signals effectively making all commercial GPS navigational devices unusable, how many people can actually use a compass to navigate maps? Almost all convenient store or filling stations carry city and highway maps most topo maps are online and specialty shops. Venturing out in a crises is generally going to be contained to the blacktop, not many people are going to travel unknowing roads by foot that lead further out away from known paths.

If hordes of people venturing out in the back country most game animal be pushed further out, what are these people going eat while in search of food all the while littering the traveled path of packs and the weak. What would they do in the winter time if such an event happens in the winter, the strong will certainly survive the weak, not so much without help? It's not a pleasant picture to think of.

 

[lonewolf]

There you go again, with that, waaa waaa, I'm afraid to meet people crap. ;-> LOL. That's why I recommend that people network NOW, and not wait until TSHTF.

well it took you long enough, i'd forgotten I even wrote that!!!
oh don't get me wrong, I've known a lot of people and I've worked with a lot of people, i'm not afraid to meet people, but trust them? in an emergency? no flippin' way!!!

 

[Billy Roper]

Yes, I know what you mean. But, I also have some friends whom I would trust more than some of my family members in a survival situation. More of them , for sure.

 

[lonewolf]

yes I have a few friends like that, but they aren't preppers and they live in a city, I doubt very much if they'll even think of leaving in an emergency as they have family there.

 

[Billy Roper]

I have about a dozen in state, with their families, who plan to rendezvous on me. Most of them I've known for over ten years. A few are newer.

 

[lonewolf]

I've known these guys and their families for over 35 years now and they are the only ones I would trust to watch my back, but like I say they are city dwellers, petrol heads not farmers.

 

[toexist]

I don't know stupid people around me in fact they not very close at all, most are older and or ex Military that don't handle being around the masses. In my years of being with USFS Enforcement and Washington State game Department as a Warden I learned to read people very well.

We don't have hillbillies here sadly, though we do have some that move out in the rural areas trying to set up drug labs but they are taken out pretty fast. When I guided students from Washington State University and the USGS (how I met my Wife) I wasn't very impressed, book smart yes and very knowledgeable in technology but no scruples in following written advice thus a reason no cotton (we have an o'l saying, cotton kills!) Point is, it's the most simplest things that would get most people in trouble.

Another thing for most people including preppers they rely too much on technology such the GPS, The GPS has become the norm in navigation! The majority of people don't realize the DOD controls the GPS signals, once a EMP or a systematic cyber attack on the US the GPS signals or switched to secured signals effectively making all commercial GPS navigational devices unusable, how many people can actually use a compass to navigate maps? Almost all convenient store or filling stations carry city and highway maps most topo maps are online and specialty shops. Venturing out in a crises is generally going to be contained to the blacktop, not many people are going to travel unknowing roads by foot that lead further out away from known paths.

If hordes of people venturing out in the back country most game animal be pushed further out, what are these people going eat while in search of food all the while littering the traveled path of packs and the weak. What would they do in the winter time if such an event happens in the winter, the strong will certainly survive the weak, not so much without help? It's not a pleasant picture to think of.

I can't speak for all cities and believe it or not they're all very much different. In the city of Chicago we have Greeks, Italians, Irish, Germans, Polish, Korean, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Africans, Armenians, Jewish, Ex Miltary, intellectuals, elitist, yuppies, thugs, HILL billies, ex Georgians, Texans, Indians, suburbanites, athletes, professors, mechanics, engineers, firemen, policemen, artists, hunters, fighters, lovers, bikers, racists, feminist, architects AND pretty much every variant of being in human spectrum.

This is what you fail to realize is that major cities bring in people from all walks of life. It's impossible to classify city folk because not all residents originated here. I personally have two friend of friends from the city whom own large farms in middle of nowhere Illinois. I've gone shooting a few times with them. One of there sons is a marine. I'm just saying you can't typecast city folk.

Don't get me wrong, there are many less traveled people here who type cast Texans just the same as well as other groups...in a negative manor.

Anyone who has been around the world knows most major cities bring a huge diversity of people. This is one of the main reasons why I can't move out of city.

Some people need to be around the action. Some people need the diversity. I'd get bored if I were around the same type of people all the time. If you're used to it is one thing but I'm not.

You'd be surprised what you can learn from all the different types of people, cultures, etc in a big city.

Chicago is Chicago. It's not New York it's not Los Angeles it's not New Orleans...not even close.

There are good people everywhere but I'm proud to be from here and I wouldn't trade with any one of you. I'm sure you feel the same. There is no place like home.

 

[Mountain trapper]

In a post SHTF world most city dewllers wouldn't even be able to make the hike to their local grocery store. Or be able to find it with out a GPS. Also, as soon as the lights go out a large segment of the city population would be burning their neighborhoods and looting tennis shoes and flat screen TV's. Most urbanites wouldn't know how to navigate away from the cities if they did try to leave, except for by road, and most wouldn't even know what a paper map is, let alone how to read one.
The term sheepele is a pretty accurate description for the vast majority living in the cities. Of course there are always exceptions. There are many people living in the cities who are well prepared and possess the necessary skills to live off the land and will survive. But that is a very small percentage of the total city population. At the same time there are many people living in rural areas that wouldn't survive, many of whom came from the cities originally.
I guess my point is that no matter where a person chooses to call home, it would be wise to have an emergency plan, life saving skills and some supplies put aside.
Even as remote as my ranch is I have two bug out locations, summer and winter, where family would meet in the worst case scenario.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

The term sheepele is a pretty accurate description for the vast majority living in the cities.

Even as remote as my ranch is I have two bug out locations, summer and winter, where family would meet in the worst case scenario.

I like the term Zombies and Oxygen Thieves, LOL.

Yes alternatives are good. If and that's a big if I had to leave then the in laws are about 10 miles away and they have 120 acres. The bad thing is that they do not prep. Father in law finally got a generator after he got sick of borrowing one of mine when ever there is an outage. Sister in law already said she is coming to our place if a bad enough SHTF event happened.

If a nuke power plant melted down over to Wisconsin then I would probably have to head North to the upper peninsula to escape the fallout. Winds generally blow East to South East here. I am thinking about a state campground for an immediate shelter location (camper). I need to get serious with this one and do some research and planning.

 

[toexist]

In a post SHTF world most city dewllers wouldn't even be able to make the hike to their local grocery store. Or be able to find it with out a GPS. .

There are like 6 major grocery stores by me and I could walk to half of them with a blind fold on.

Seriously you have absolutely no data to support these blind statements on as there has NEVER been such an event like this in ALL recorded human history in Chicago...let alone ANY other major city.

You're statements are based 100% on speculation and narratives you've created in your head.

Name me ONE REAL life example? Just ONE.....

You've got nothing and I guarantee it cause it NEVER happened. Instead all we have are 2 micro incidents which occurred in extremely unique circumstances in two completely unique cities. One being the LA Riots and 2 being Hurricane Katrina.

Both of these cities are absolutely nothing like Chicago. The layout, the environment, people, absolutely nothing. And even in these two extremely rare isolated incidents neither was permanently life changing for human civilization.

I think some of you have created this fantasy narrative in your head but u have nothing to base it off of.

All you have are FEMA food/water preservation numbers and a few well written books of fiction based on WHAT IFs and COULD BEs.

Seriously some of u should write screenplays based on your narratives and sell them to Hollywood. U could use money to buy a yaht and do if unlikely forever life changing event ever occurs...u will be able to assure ur survival.

I want to prepare for the worst possible outcome as much as any of u cause that's just how my brain works. Some of you guys are assuming ur the only smart, resourceful members of human civilization. You don't know what citizens really have hidden let ALONE the government. You think this information will be volunteered...NOPE.

Surrounding the city of Chicago are infinite numbers of suburbs many of which are in walking distance. Each with their own private fire/police departments, endless supply of grocery store chains. Outside suburbs are vast fields of open land and isolated farms. Yes we're talking Illinois here.

If you want to base narratives of how u think things will play out in ur own neighborhoods or even surrounding communities is one thing (even this is 100% hypothetical) but EACH city is unique as it relates to people, climate, terrain, layout, culture etc etc.

People aren't as dumb as you make them out to be. The isolated homeless inner city hoodlums of New Orleans you saw looting via the biased news in HURRICANE Katrina do NOT represent ALL members of society.

I feel many of you have this US vs THEM attitude towards people of major cities. You FEAR we all want or need what little you have. You're forgetting that most of these people are just like you just in different parts of the map. If u want to worry about people maybe you should focus more on your neighbors.

 

[user 6493]

There are like 6 major grocery stores by me and I could walk to half of them with a blind fold on.

Seriously you have absolutely no data to base these blind statements on as there has NEVER been such an event like this in ALL recorded human history in Chicago...let alone ANY other major city.

You're statements are based 100% on speculation and narratives you've created in your head.

Name me ONE REAL life example? Just one.....

You've got nothing and I guarantee it cause it NEVER happened. Instead all we have are 2 micro incidents which occurred in extremely unique circumstances in two completely unique cities. One being the LA Riots and 2 being Hurricane Katrina.

Both of these cities are absolutely nothing like Chicago. The layout, the environment, people, absolutely nothing. And even in these two extremely rare isolated incidents neither was permanently life changing for human civilization.

I think some of you have created this fantasy narrative in your head but you nothing to base it off of.

All you have are FEMA food/water preservation numbers and a few well written books of fiction based on WHAT IFs and COULD BEs.

Seriously some of you should write screenplays based on your narritives and sell them to Hollywood. Then u could use money to buy a yaht and if this unlikely forever life changing event ever happens...you will be able to assure your survival.

I want to prepare for the worst possible outcome just as much as any of u cause that's just how my brain works. Some of you guys are assuming ur the only smart, resourceful members of human civilization. You don't know what citizens really have hidden let ALONE the government. You think this information will be volunteered...NOPE. Surrounding the city of Chicago are infinite numbers of suburbs many of which are in walking distance. Each with their own private fire/police departments, endless supply of grocery store chains. Outside suburbs are vast fields of open land and isolated farms. Yes we're talking Illinois here.

If you want to base specific narratives of how you think things will play out in your own neighborhoods or even surrounding communities is one thing (even this is 100% hypothetical) but EACH city is unique as it relates to people, climate, terrain, layout, culture etc etc.

People aren't as dumb as you make them out to be. The isolated homeless inner city hoodlums of new Orleans you saw looting via the biased news in HURRICANE Katrina do NOT represent ALL members of society.

I feel many of you have this US vs THEM attitude towards people of major cities. You FEAR we all want or need what little you have. You're forgetting that most of these people are just like you just in different parts of the map. If want to worry about people maybe you should focus more on your neighbors.

Chicago murders everyday in fact more murders than any other city in the USA,,,,,,,,,,,AND THINGS ARE GOOD RIGHT NOW,,,,,,just what do you think is going to happen if the SHTF,,DO YOU THINK THESE DIRTBAGS ARE SUDDENLY GOING TO GET RELIGION ,,HA,,,absolutely no one will be safe,,IT WILL BE OPEN WARFAIR,,,,I have been in Chicago seen some of the crap that goes on there,.after dark there are gangs roaming the streets,,,you could not give me the place

 

[toexist]

Chicago murders everyday in fact more murders than any other city in the USA,,,,,,,,,,,AND THINGS ARE GOOD RIGHT NOW,,,,,,just what do you think is going to happen if the SHTF,,DO YOU THINK THESE DIRTBAGS ARE SUDDENLY GOING TO GET RELIGION ,,HA,,,absolutely no one will be safe,,IT WILL BE OPEN WARFAIR,,,,I have been in Chicago seen some of the crap that goes on there,.after dark there are gangs roaming the streets,,,you could not give me the place

I've lived in Chicago my entire life and have never been robbed or shot at once. This is all propaganda in order to attempt to state stricter gun laws and increase government spending. I could sell a condo here and buy 50 acre farm in wherever my choosing. Chicago real estate is some of the most expensive in the country by far for a reason. You don't have to like it. ..it's fact.

 

[user 6493]

I've lived in Chicago my entire life and have never been robbed or shot at once. This is all propaganda in order to attempt to state stricter gun laws and increase government spending. I could sell a condo here and buy 50 acre farm in wherever my choosing. Chicago real estate is some of the most expensive in the country by far for a reason. You don't have to like it. ..it's fact.

well then in that case give me some and I will dump it tomorrow,,,like I said I have been there and would not consider spending a night there

 

[user 6493]

for that fact I would not stay in any of the large city's and I have been in a lot of them,I have been in all the lower 48 states ,Chicago and Laredo Texas are high on my list as city's to stay out of,when I was forced to spend the night I would go outside the city limits to feel somewhat safe

 

[toexist]

well then in that case give me some and I will dump it tomorrow,,,like I said I have been there and would not consider spending a night there

Don't know what part of Chicago you've been to but I can guarantee its not the part I grew up in. You can hate it all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's rated among the greatest cities on earth.

I've visited cities all over the world and the only other I'd rather live in would be outside the US.

 

[user 6493]

Don't know what part of Chicago you've been to but I can guarantee its not the part I grew up in. You can hate it all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's rated among the greatest cities on earth.

oh I don't hate it,,,,,I just would never live there to damned many people,,,just like you would never choose to live here in Sharp County Arkansas,,,,if you do not like the country life you would go stir crazy here

 

[user 6493]

I like solitude in fact if I was to relocate,it would be more remote than where I am now

 

[toexist]

oh I don't hate it,,,,,I just would never live there,,,just like you would never choose to live here in Sharp County Arkansas,,,,if you do not like the country life you would go stir crazy here

Don't get me wrong there is definitely appeal in country life. There are parts of Georgia and Montana I've been to that really struct my attention. Moving just wouldn't be something I see myself doing anytime soon.

 

[user 6493]

Georgia is not bad Montana is to cold and to much snow,,,the important thing is being happy where you are at,,,,I will never live in a city bigger than where I am now again