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Nah.
That is the order of building community as in common unity to achieve a goal.
Sure there will always be differences of opinion but that type of threat is not what i am speaking of.
Is there another way that an individual protect themselves 24x7?
Curious
Ben
Nope. Being protected 24x7 is a fantasy. A nice one, but not how it actually works out. You protect yourself as best you can when your awake, and then find the safest hidey hole to crawl into when you sleep. You do what you can with defenses so that hopefully nobody can get close to you before you have time to wake up, but its all just risk reduction, you will never be 'protected' 24/7
Any community you are in is always going to be your #1 threat.
Now, their could be OTHER benefits to a community that make taking the security hit worth it, but you'll have to be MORE on guard in the community than you would be on your own.
I feel completely safe here.
Not because I am well armed, but because we have very good law enforcement that takes care of our criminals.
They don't last very long before they get tossed into Angola and nobody hears from them again until they are too old to commit crimes.
...And those are only the ones that are not stupid enough to break into someone's house and end up getting shot dead.
We keep our area safe down here.
Where are our thugs?
Do you want to learn how to farm the land?
Just commit a serious crime down here, and you can:
Yes, that picture is from 2021.
(notice the LSU shirt the guard is wearing
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I suppose that's why most prepper's "people" are their family members. At least they know what they're going to get.
And you figure the Law Enforcement Officers will still be guarding the prisons, and the community.I feel completely safe here.
Not because I am well armed, but because we have very good law enforcement that takes care of our criminals.
They don't last very long before they get tossed into Angola and nobody hears from them again until they are too old to commit crimes.
...And those are only the ones that are not stupid enough to break into someone's house and end up getting shot dead.
We keep our area safe down here.
Where are our thugs?
Do you want to learn how to farm the land?
Just commit a serious crime down here, and you can:
Yes, that picture is from 2021.
(notice the LSU shirt the guard is wearing
Seems to me if they were smart, they would move into the prison, and push the convicts out the door.
Actually the safest place in an urban or suburban environment, would likely be inside a prison, with family and trusted friends.......and no convicts.
I feel completely safe here.
Not because I am well armed, but because we have very good law enforcement that takes care of our criminals.
They don't last very long before they get tossed into Angola and nobody hears from them again until they are too old to commit crimes.
...And those are only the ones that are not stupid enough to break into someone's house and end up getting shot dead.
We keep our area safe down here.
Where are our thugs?
Do you want to learn how to farm the land?
Just commit a serious crime down here, and you can:
Yes, that picture is from 2021.
(notice the LSU shirt the guard is wearing
Louisiana has the highest murder mortality rate in the country. It's twice the national average.
Try again.
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That just means they are better shots than Chi-Raq. East St Louis etc.
We outpace Chicago?
I'd like to see where that info comes from.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state
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For some maybe.
Turning my back on my family that has had my back is not an option. Paying for the extended family to move because of a possible threat is not in my budget.
I have to make do with what I have.
As long as I have faith that God will provide solutions i have nothing to worry about provided I am doing what I can with what I have.
David turned down using Saul's armor and weapons that he was not comfortable with in favor or of his sling and faith that God will protect him.
My 2 cents
Ben
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Moving far far away from other humans is something I don't consider. I need to have a life worth living. I believe in community and family. That being said, I would never live in a city. And I do believe that God's got this. He knows the end result, I just do my part along the way.
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Agreed!
Our walls are step cliffs covered multiflora rose, wild grape vines and Japanese barberry.
I have 2 springs inside the perimeter.
Ben
My thoughts on community follow the Afghan saying:
I, against my brothers.
I, and my brothers against my cousins.
I ,my brothers and my cousins against the world.
I, against my brothers.
I, and my brothers against my cousins.
I ,my brothers and my cousins against the world.
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I give up. What's that mean? Is that person "for" anybody?
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You can't say "all" preppers!
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Now this may be a little long , strange and seemingly unrelated Things have been happening for a very long time. Pick a favorite topic. But they are connected. This latest fiasco started when the American people threw a monkey wrench into the plans of the establishment and they have sped up the timeline out of fear. Which is why we're seeing the craziness we see now. I think the establishment has picked various spots across America and the world as strong points. That they will try and use to ride out the storm that their policies along with lust for power and greed created on purpose. And the Shortages are also of their creation a little at a time until the plug is pulled in order to get their final pieces in place. Without creating a panic that might undo their phase lines , Whatever that is. Food and fuel shortages are being deliberately created. I think the establishment is doing a lot of hoarding for themselves and whatever their plan is for the end game. Now as they say the Best laid plans of mice and men often go astray.
Yep, that's true.
I didn't want to mention that they still execute murderers up at Angola that have received the death-sentence because it never makes any sound.
You can't prevent someone from shooting a person... but you can make sure that it is the LAST person they will ever kill.
They don't do 'catch & release' down here.
Nobody gets arrested here and has 15 prior felony convictions... like in New York.
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You think you are prepared? Pick an emergency that is going to happen - one we all know is coming - but not exactly when.
If you live in earthquake country then the biggest quake that can happen is happening.
If you live in tornado country then an F5 is 400 yards away, a mile wide and headed for you.
If you live in a flood zone then you have a 10 foot wall of water less than a minute away.
Whatever natural disaster you have experienced or heard will eventually happen in your area it is happening now.
On northern California, Oregon, Washington and the coast of British Columbia it is a 9.2 earthquake followed by a 100 foot high tsunami. The Ground will shake so hard and so long that you can't stand for up to 5 minutes. All underground utilities are broken and pushed toward the street level. Sewer, gas lines, electricity, and water lines are spewing there contents all over. The roads are cracked and sunk or pushed up or covered with landslides caused by the shaking. Where the 10,000 brick buildings stood there is rubble and the bodies of the people who were near when they collapsed. The major highways have transformed to huge broken bits of what used to be I-5, I-405, 99, and 101 and are completely impassible.
Bridges will fall or sink at their foundations and the east-west roads will be in the same shape. The I-90 bridges have pulled away from their anchors and are large pieces of concrete barges floating in the lake. I-90 is covered in land and rock slides to the summit and down the east side. The coastal area from the I-5 corridor West to the ocean is a wasteland with combinations of liquefaction, broken roads, landslides and flooding. Then about 15 minutes after the shaking stopped the tsunami starts hitting the shore. The water and debris scrubs buildings, electric poles, police and fire stations completely off the landscape. The schools that were full of kids and teachers are gone with the hospitals, stores and churches. It looks like a war zone.
It is going to be 2 to 3 weeks before FEMA and the military can get a grasp on what they can do. There is no phone or computer / internet to contact the emergency centers and there is no one manning them because transportation is nearly impossible without helicopters and they are busy getting the politicians to Moses Lake or Spokane. The rest of the population is on their own. After the first week people are dying of thirst and some are getting sick because of the lack of nutrition and the unsanitary conditions. Before FEMA can begin locating and helping the victims they are dying. 1,500,000 people need shelter and most of the population will be out of food and water. Without power and water the hospitals are limited to triage and finding a place for the dead bodies.
That is the result of the Cascadia subduction Zone earthquake and tsunami. It will take years to put the infrastructure back together. I was prepared for what I thought would be the worst... I am now, I moved 300 miles inland. I had 200 gallons of water, three or more months of food, medical and toilet supplies and the means to keep it but I was not prepared to kill my neighbors just to run out of supplies in six months. I moved out of the area that was not survivable to an area that is more survivable. We might lose gas for a few days when Cascadia produces the great big one but that is easy to cope with. I still have some neighbors but we all have the means to be on our own for longer than any emergency here will require.
What's the worst that nature can hand to you? Are you really prepared?
If you live in earthquake country then the biggest quake that can happen is happening.
If you live in tornado country then an F5 is 400 yards away, a mile wide and headed for you.
If you live in a flood zone then you have a 10 foot wall of water less than a minute away.
Whatever natural disaster you have experienced or heard will eventually happen in your area it is happening now.
On northern California, Oregon, Washington and the coast of British Columbia it is a 9.2 earthquake followed by a 100 foot high tsunami. The Ground will shake so hard and so long that you can't stand for up to 5 minutes. All underground utilities are broken and pushed toward the street level. Sewer, gas lines, electricity, and water lines are spewing there contents all over. The roads are cracked and sunk or pushed up or covered with landslides caused by the shaking. Where the 10,000 brick buildings stood there is rubble and the bodies of the people who were near when they collapsed. The major highways have transformed to huge broken bits of what used to be I-5, I-405, 99, and 101 and are completely impassible.
Bridges will fall or sink at their foundations and the east-west roads will be in the same shape. The I-90 bridges have pulled away from their anchors and are large pieces of concrete barges floating in the lake. I-90 is covered in land and rock slides to the summit and down the east side. The coastal area from the I-5 corridor West to the ocean is a wasteland with combinations of liquefaction, broken roads, landslides and flooding. Then about 15 minutes after the shaking stopped the tsunami starts hitting the shore. The water and debris scrubs buildings, electric poles, police and fire stations completely off the landscape. The schools that were full of kids and teachers are gone with the hospitals, stores and churches. It looks like a war zone.
It is going to be 2 to 3 weeks before FEMA and the military can get a grasp on what they can do. There is no phone or computer / internet to contact the emergency centers and there is no one manning them because transportation is nearly impossible without helicopters and they are busy getting the politicians to Moses Lake or Spokane. The rest of the population is on their own. After the first week people are dying of thirst and some are getting sick because of the lack of nutrition and the unsanitary conditions. Before FEMA can begin locating and helping the victims they are dying. 1,500,000 people need shelter and most of the population will be out of food and water. Without power and water the hospitals are limited to triage and finding a place for the dead bodies.
That is the result of the Cascadia subduction Zone earthquake and tsunami. It will take years to put the infrastructure back together. I was prepared for what I thought would be the worst... I am now, I moved 300 miles inland. I had 200 gallons of water, three or more months of food, medical and toilet supplies and the means to keep it but I was not prepared to kill my neighbors just to run out of supplies in six months. I moved out of the area that was not survivable to an area that is more survivable. We might lose gas for a few days when Cascadia produces the great big one but that is easy to cope with. I still have some neighbors but we all have the means to be on our own for longer than any emergency here will require.
What's the worst that nature can hand to you? Are you really prepared?
Did something happen on Friday when this was posted? Or was it a more generic "the time is upon us" prediction ... a call to arms?
If the time is upon us, there is no getting any more prepared than we already are. Hopefully it is enough. I guess I am as prepared as I want to be. Could I be more prepared? Of course. Do I have five years of food stored in my basement? No. Would I want to live for five years on food stored in my basement? No. So I have made a choice on my level of preparedness. I would have no one to blame other than myself if I later change my mind and decide that I am underprepared. I am comfortable at my current level of preparedness. It is what it is - a compromise of many things. I have been unwilling to pack up everything and move to a homestead in the middle of nowhere without any family/friends nearby, totally dependent on myself alone. So for that choice, I will now have to be a "suburban survivor". Along with all the potential minuses that go along with that.
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Nice job making us think!
I have a collection....
Yellow Stone super volcano could get me
EMP human or solar
Societal breakdown cats and dogs living together
I can't prevent a bolder from Yellow Stone falling on me or prevent society collapsing for any number if reasons but I can prepare for what follows.
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Groups are great when:
1) all the members of the group are smart, of common mind set and purpose
2) all the members of the group are 100% worthy of trust and 100% dedicated to achievement of missions the group decides are to be accomplished
3) all the group members give up any sense of duty to anyone outside the group
4) all the group members have a good work ethic and are tough enough to take hardship without losing motivation or performance
5) all the group members accept the same chain of command and leadership
6) all the group members agree on the moral code and ethics the group will operate based upon and are committed to apply that code uniformly
7) all the group members are productive, hard working and contribute more than they cost the group in resources
8) none of the group members has any significant degree of normalcy bias
9) the group possesses enough resources to keep the whole group well sheltered, fed, watered, washed, clothed, fit, healthy, transported, armed, protected, hidden, treated (for injury or sickness) and motivated.
10) harmony and agreement can be maintained because all members of the group prioritize that over individual freedom, comfort, safety and belief. All group members would die to save any other one or more members of the group.
Those criteria are tough to obtain and will only be possible with very special and rare people who want to be in the group and you have known for decades (rather than casual acquaintances). They need to be people who you have already been with during tense and dangerous situations and have proven they will do what it takes to keep the group alive and accomplish missions.
You won't be able to achieve a group like the above drawn from family members - because family are the result of random genetic accident rather than selection.
You are even less likely to be able to achieve anything even slightly similar to the above drawn from your neighbors - because neighbors are only your neighbors, as a result of a geographical accident.
........and in closing, anyone who plans to rely upon their community in a very severe crisis, needs to ensure they can feed all those people - because all unfed people near you will be a threat. In all my time on forums, I have never read a post by someone saying "Oh yeah.....I have prepped to feed my whole town....so I know they will stay cooperative and dedicated to our groups surivival....."
Even if you could feed them all, they will have friends and family outside your roadblocks. They will have more loyalty to those people than to anyone in your town (including you).......they will let those people in through your road blocks........then those people (new members of your community?????) will still have friends/family on the outside (and no reason to be loyal to the town)..........
Even those you are charitable to and feed will be unreliable. We live in a society of mostly ungrateful people.
1) all the members of the group are smart, of common mind set and purpose
2) all the members of the group are 100% worthy of trust and 100% dedicated to achievement of missions the group decides are to be accomplished
3) all the group members give up any sense of duty to anyone outside the group
4) all the group members have a good work ethic and are tough enough to take hardship without losing motivation or performance
5) all the group members accept the same chain of command and leadership
6) all the group members agree on the moral code and ethics the group will operate based upon and are committed to apply that code uniformly
7) all the group members are productive, hard working and contribute more than they cost the group in resources
8) none of the group members has any significant degree of normalcy bias
9) the group possesses enough resources to keep the whole group well sheltered, fed, watered, washed, clothed, fit, healthy, transported, armed, protected, hidden, treated (for injury or sickness) and motivated.
10) harmony and agreement can be maintained because all members of the group prioritize that over individual freedom, comfort, safety and belief. All group members would die to save any other one or more members of the group.
Those criteria are tough to obtain and will only be possible with very special and rare people who want to be in the group and you have known for decades (rather than casual acquaintances). They need to be people who you have already been with during tense and dangerous situations and have proven they will do what it takes to keep the group alive and accomplish missions.
You won't be able to achieve a group like the above drawn from family members - because family are the result of random genetic accident rather than selection.
You are even less likely to be able to achieve anything even slightly similar to the above drawn from your neighbors - because neighbors are only your neighbors, as a result of a geographical accident.
........and in closing, anyone who plans to rely upon their community in a very severe crisis, needs to ensure they can feed all those people - because all unfed people near you will be a threat. In all my time on forums, I have never read a post by someone saying "Oh yeah.....I have prepped to feed my whole town....so I know they will stay cooperative and dedicated to our groups surivival....."
Even if you could feed them all, they will have friends and family outside your roadblocks. They will have more loyalty to those people than to anyone in your town (including you).......they will let those people in through your road blocks........then those people (new members of your community?????) will still have friends/family on the outside (and no reason to be loyal to the town)..........
Even those you are charitable to and feed will be unreliable. We live in a society of mostly ungrateful people.
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I've got some thoughts on that , I might touch on later. But you are correct.
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